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Millennium Original500© Member  Walking the Thin Line
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I'm thinking you do spell better than that ;-) I have the same problem... LOL...I think faster than I can type...it makes for some amusing reading .. Plus I have a wireless keyboard, that when the batteries need changing, the letters get dropped.. 
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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pmh1nic wrote: The government's argument is if they are going to have to pay for the medical care of a pregnant teenager, provide daycare for the baby while the mother is trying to graduate from high school, support the child through programs like WIC, provide birth control and condoms in an attempt to prevent pregnancies, pay for the treatment of STD's, etc. why shouldn't they have the right to decide other medical issues for these children. Are you saying that you agree and that they should have the right under their circumstances?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Well.......I just got home! Yes, they can talk about abortion! Send them in the direction to have one! Write a prescription for birth control pills for your daughter, and hand out condoms...........ALL without letting the parent know anything!! They will also treat and take care of all sickness issues with children. We parents have a choice of opting our child out of the medical program HOWEVER.....not the reproductive part of the program. Any child 14 years of age on up, can walk in and get the birth control pill prescription and an interview with an abortion clinic without the consent or knowledge of the parent!! There you have it..........there was a room full of parents, all of who did not want the school taking over our rights, ordering pills for our children, scheduling appointments for surgery for our children, treating them for mental disorders without letting us know what they were diagnosed with and what they were giving them!! It's the government and they can and will do what they want! I agree with pmh's point, I also agree that there are a lot of parents out there who aren't responsible, but for those of us who are or try to be, I'll be damned if I'll put up with it!! A lot of us are up in arms and ready to fight. We may even get a petition going. Because I don't have anything else to do, you know!! I'm so sick of this government.............
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Elisabeth Guardian1000© Member 
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If the parents can "opt out" as you say, why can't you just do that and leave the rest alone?...Not all young people have warm, loving homes...They truly need something like this...I understand your outrage over the government having such a degree of control but, its obviously needed in your community or it wouldn't be offered...Most parents believe that their children feel like they can come to them, to talk with them about anything, that's just not the case...I wish more communities had enough money to do this...If you go in there with all your cronies fighting this it will be the kids that need this help the most who will lose...Try thinking about them instead of yourself and how you feel...Take care of your own house instead of pushing your way into someone elses and forcing your opinion onto them.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Elisabeth, You don't force something on the other 85% of the children and families because of a minority few do you? What about the majority of parents who teach values, and other issues of morality in the home? You don't see the "Big Daddy Replaces Home" scenario here?
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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24hn "Are you saying that you agree and that they should have the right under their circumstances?" There is a fundamental principle at play here. It's the same principle that applies in my home with respect to my kids (at least while they were living with me). If you live under my roof and while I pay for the food, gas, electricity, water, provide transportation, pay for your education and healthcare, etc., etc., etc. I get to be the benevolent dictator that exercises authority over your life. Once you can do these things on your own I give up that authority. If parents we look to the federal government to feed, cloth, houses, educate, transport, provide summer jobs, etc., etc., etc. to their child why shouldn't the federal government have the right to be involved in their healthcare choices? This is a principle that is lost on Americans. We expect the federal government to take care of us through all sorts of programs not realizing that with that "benefit" we are giving up a certain amount of control over our lives. I don't agree that schools should be making medical decisions for our children without the knowledge and consent of parents, especially for those parents that ARE paying for their children's education out of their own pockets via direct school taxes and/or state and federal income tax. Last edited on 02:14 pm by pmh1nic |
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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pmh1nic wrote: 24hn OK, thanks. I couldn't tell if you approved of what that school by Fox was doing in regard to birth control. I think you are saying you don't like it but accept it as reasonable, correct?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Elisabeth wrote: If the parents can "opt out" as you say, why can't you just do that and leave the rest alone?...Not all young people have warm, loving homes...They truly need something like this...I understand your outrage over the government having such a degree of control but, its obviously needed in your community or it wouldn't be offered...Most parents believe that their children feel like they can come to them, to talk with them about anything, that's just not the case...I wish more communities had enough money to do this...If you go in there with all your cronies fighting this it will be the kids that need this help the most who will lose...Try thinking about them instead of yourself and how you feel...Take care of your own house instead of pushing your way into someone elses and forcing your opinion onto them. Listen up Elisabeth..........we DON'T have a choice to opt out when it comes to the reproductive or mental illness part of the program. I think I said that! We even tried to get the program to just drop that part of their so called service, but they said they couldn't. The government will only give the money if those two are included. Now hear this.........the reason in this area it's obviously needed, is because of all the illegal a*s holes living here who bring all their diseases into our country because they don't have a lot of the vaccinations we have, in other countries!! Our school district is also one of the lowest academic areas because of the percentage of students who can't understand or speak OUR language! Sooooo....the school has dumbed down and slowed down the other students who should be in a normal academic program. Anything else us old cronies shouldn't be concerned about with our children?? Last but not least...these are OUR tax dollars and we damn well have a right to complain! Last edited on 02:56 pm by foxglovepress Justice for Mark.....Imprison Employers Who Hire ILLEGALS! |
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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"I think you are saying you don't like it but accept it as reasonable, correct?" I don't like it but I believe it is a natural consequence of viewing the government as existing to meet our every need and as being the solution to our every problem. I do NOT believe in public education as it exist today. Unfortunately (not to get off on a complete tangent) I believe our government needs to be dismantled. I'm not advocating a violent revolution but rather a total freeze on any growth in government spending...IMMEDIATELY and taxes rates would would be frozen at their current levels. I would follow this up with a 2% per year reduction in federal spending with the ONLY exceptions being funds need for a national emergency. All government subsides to companies would end over a 10 period. These are just general ideas but I believe the fundamental principles expressed in them (smaller government, getting rid of our huge national debt, going back to something closer to a free market economy with no government bailouts, going back to a government that operates within traditional Constitutional limitations, etc.) is the direction we need to be going in to get out of the mess we are in.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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Elisabeth wrote: If the parents can "opt out" as you say, why can't you just do that and leave the rest alone?...Not all young people have warm, loving homes...They truly need something like this...I understand your outrage over the government having such a degree of control but, its obviously needed in your community or it wouldn't be offered...Most parents believe that their children feel like they can come to them, to talk with them about anything, that's just not the case...I wish more communities had enough money to do this...If you go in there with all your cronies fighting this it will be the kids that need this help the most who will lose...Try thinking about them instead of yourself and how you feel...Take care of your own house instead of pushing your way into someone elses and forcing your opinion onto them. it doesn't appear to be that simple...Fox said: "We parents have a choice of opting our child out of the medical program HOWEVER.....not the reproductive part of the program." ____________________ So in practice they have no options. I agree that not all families are warm and loving. But how many teenagers do you think would choose to go to their families with news of being pregnant when they don't have to? not too many I'm afraid...every one of them would be terrified of what their family would say whether or not they have a warm, loving relationship. This is just one more way to destabilize the foundation of the American family. I would venture to guess that students who know this option is available, with no risk of family notification or involvement, would be more likely to experiment sexually, thinking the consequences are minimal.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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pmh1nic wrote: "I think you are saying you don't like it but accept it as reasonable, correct?" I like that suggestion but we are never going to get there with the two party system set up and structured as it is. If not a violent solution, it is going to take some revolutionary voting changes by the People. We have to vote people in there that are focused on doing what you've said and are willing to put aside their pork spending and big business buddies ... we need people who are willing to dramatically change systems, like the whole tax code to a flat tax or something. These types of people, or the support, is not in either of the two major Parties and I don't see it ever being at the forefront until they are forced or threatened by either violence or another Party. The systemic corruption is too deep and multi-layered for me to think otherwise. Until then, expect more growth and more problems like the ones Fox is hitting upon in this thread, as well as the ones you've expressed.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Amy wrote: Elisabeth wrote:If the parents can "opt out" as you say, why can't you just do that and leave the rest alone?...Not all young people have warm, loving homes...They truly need something like this...I understand your outrage over the government having such a degree of control but, its obviously needed in your community or it wouldn't be offered...Most parents believe that their children feel like they can come to them, to talk with them about anything, that's just not the case...I wish more communities had enough money to do this...If you go in there with all your cronies fighting this it will be the kids that need this help the most who will lose...Try thinking about them instead of yourself and how you feel...Take care of your own house instead of pushing your way into someone elses and forcing your opinion onto them. You're exactly right Amy, and I've already told Elisabeth what I think of her comment two posts ago! Not only that, we even asked why they can't offer this service, but inform the parents of any of the two issues we were all up in arms about. They said, ......"The law is, any 14 year old child on up, has the right to privacy with their bodies and health issues!!!" It won't be long, and the state will be raising our children. I'm considering taking granddaughter out of the school district and home schooling her yet another year!!
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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24hn "I like that suggestion but we are never going to get there with the two party system set up and structured as it is. If not a violent solution, it is going to take some revolutionary voting changes by the People." Unfortunately the current election system is a huge roadblock to getting this done via a third party. The two existing parties are just too powerful and entrenched. If the solution doesn't come from within these two parties we may ultimately end up in a situation of chaos and violence. Unfortunately that scenerio is more likely to lead to a dictatorship/authoritarian rule then to a government and free society operating under the Constitution as envisioned by the Founders. In my opinion the options are a slow and purposeful reduction in the size of government and public/private debt (which translates into a reduction in the standard of living) or a sudden collapse that will lead to wholesale turmoil. Our economy and perception of wealth has been kept afloat by an ever growing see of debt fostered by an entitlement mentality and individual greed. To some extent most Americans are guilt of this. We borrow to pay for our house, cars, washing machine, giant screen t.v. and in many cases it has been the perception of having equity in our homes that has allowed this to happen. The government (taxpayer) bailout of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac should serve as a major warning that we are in big trouble. O.k., enough of my rant and going off on a tangent. No, what this school is suggesting amounts to pure Communist socialism.
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Elisabeth Guardian1000© Member
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As long as there are people like some of you there will be people like me...If your family is as well run as you say, you should have no issue at all with birth control being made available to those who need it...Are you really under the impression that young, well-bred people refrain from having sex until the I do's are said ?...Pulllleeeze !...These young people are going to do the wild thing whether birth control is available or not, I'd rather see them be protected in that fashion rather than bring another unwanted child into this world...You don't want your tax dollars spent that way so, are you saying you would rather have your hard earned money spent on welfare? ...Because thats what the majority of young, unwed & wed mothers turn to because their education ceased the moment they became knocked up...Work hard, lady...Millions on welfare are depending on you.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Thanks for that input, Pmh.
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