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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Open Talk > Joe Biden...great giver to the poor and needy... |
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24HourNut wrote: pmh1nic wrote:24HourNut wrote:pmh1nic wrote:But I don't like the way Congress is being "liberal" with my money. The church was opening schools, hospitals, orphanages, working to abolish slavery, etc., etc., etc. long before anyone was paying income taxes. The church lead the way in the civil rights movement (remember Rev. Martin Luther King). So yes, get rid of the income tax and we won't need tax exemptions for the church. Last edited on 01:08 am by pmh1nic |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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The church was opening schools, hospitals, orphanages, working to abolish slavery, etc., etc., etc. long before anyone was paying income taxes. The church lead the way in the civil rights movement (remember Rev. Martin Luther King). Considering the church as a "leader" in these categories is laughable, but go for it. They only got serious about things after almost everyone else was doing it anyway, so considering they were responsible for fueling a lot of it and were evil for so many centuries condoning, assisting, fueling, and engaging in the most corrupt of behaviors from wholesale slavery to tyranny, the least they could do is go along after 18+ centuries. Send them a thank you note. Hopefully they will have time to read it in between molesting kids. So yes, get rid of the income tax and we won't need tax exemptions for the church. We should get rid of tax breaks for them regardless, effective immediately.
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Yes, just like slavery, lynching Blacks, and denying women the vote. Great point. Damn Frank..you're not allowed to go back in the past to point out errors to make your case, remember?? 
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Millennium wrote: Yes, just like slavery, lynching Blacks, and denying women the vote. Great point. I only did that because Pmh did. He is famous for trying to say things like "because it was done in the past" or especially "because it was done in the past by many" somehow makes the activity in question AOK. So when he said "The religious horse was doing a lot of carting long before you paid your first tax dollar" he doesn't quite get how he is just pointing out something that should have been remedied sooner for all sorts of reasons.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Millennium wrote: In 9 years he made 2.9 MILLION dollars...He contributed a little more than $3000.00 in that time to charity... I'm not sure which thread to put this in, but I'll give this a shot. I took it from another forum, one I also belong to. He's got a hell of a point, and if we all said come April 15th, SCREW YOU to the government, what could they actually do? Think about it. Trouble is, none of us work together and therefore, nothing gets done........... "OUR MONEY IS GOVERNMENT'S MAJOR POWER OVER US: The first power that government has over us is OUR perception that OUR money is their money and government can spend it anyway they like. The second power that government has over us is by using the money they take from us by force and unconstitutionally transfer it to someone else, with no obligation to pay it back. The third power that government has over us is that we will religiously obey their laws, even if those laws are in direct violation of our Constitution." "Only when the people realize that their tax money is being used to environmentally enslave them; only when the people realize that their tax money is being used to "feed" a growing population of other people (including illegal aliens, corporations and Wall Street) dipping their wide-open mouths in the government "pig trough" and those "takers" voting for or contributing to, those very same politicians who take our tax money by force to keep the "trough" full; only when the people realize that our government is using our tax money to merge America into the one-world-order and sell our sovereignty; only when the people realize that the only way to stop this insanity is to resist government in every legal way possible. Perhaps then, constitutional freedom will be in our grasp.[size="] [size=The question for all of us is, will we, who fund this sinking ship and who know better, allow America to strike the remaining icebergs without lifting a finger to change course? ]
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24HourNut wrote: The church was opening schools, hospitals, orphanages, working to abolish slavery, etc., etc., etc. long before anyone was paying income taxes. The church lead the way in the civil rights movement (remember Rev. Martin Luther King). I know you would like to spin off onto a never ending discussion of what the church did or didn't do with respect to promoting ending slavery but you can save it. The point which you cannot refute no matter how much spin you apply is the church was education, healing, feeding, fighting poverty and slavery long before there was an income tax or a need for a tax exemption.
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I know you would like to spin off onto a never ending discussion of what the church did or didn't do with respect to promoting ending slavery but you can save it. I was just responding to you, silly. You brought up the history of what happened before my first tax dollar. Perhaps you should have stuck to the actual point I was making, which is that there should not be tax breaks for religious outfits, agreeing with your comments about charity. The point which you cannot refute no matter how much spin you apply is the church was education, healing, feeding, fighting poverty and slavery long before there was an income tax or a need for a tax exemption. Like I said, that doesn't make it right, especially since they fueled those problems and were lame and late to the game for reasons I am sure you are quite aware of. Read my previous post for more light on that lame point of yours.
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24HourNut wrote: I know you would like to spin off onto a never ending discussion of what the church did or didn't do with respect to promoting ending slavery but you can save it. Yes, I brought up the history that the church was founding schools, hospitals and involved in abolish decades before the income tax was start. Nothing you said in your rant negates that fact. Unfortunately for you all of your spinning doesn't change the history. That being the FACT get rid of the income tax and the exemption won't be necessary.
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pmh1nic wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I know you would like to spin off onto a never ending discussion of what the church did or didn't do with respect to promoting ending slavery but you can save it. I'm glad you acknowledge that it was you who started spinning, ranting, and defending by bringing up history while I was simply just agreeing that tax breaks (income or otherwise) should not be given to religious outfits on principle. Next time, don't start spinning off into silly defenses like "it happened in the past a lot" because all half-way intelligent people see through that tactic and then it opens the door to people like me giving you the truth and full context about the Church's involvement, fueling, condoning, and enabling on those things - including how SHAMEFULLY LATE to the game they were. Here is the bottom line: whether OR NOT we get rid of the income tax, tax breaks for religious outfits should be taken away. Right? Right. 
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"glad you acknowledge that it was you who started spinning..." Actually it was I who schooled you on the history of income tax and tax exemptions. As for the bottomline, tax breaks can't exist without the tax to break. You're claim that two wrongs don't make a right. You are correct but you can right both wrongs by getting rid of the original wrong, getting rid of the income tax. In fact the tax breaks are a partial attempt to right the wrong. Last edited on 02:03 am by pmh1nic |
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pmh1nic wrote: "glad you acknowledge that it was you who started spinning..." I am for big tax changes as part of a corruption clean up for Government. But whether or not the income tax is taken away, or until it is taken away, we should remove tax breaks for religious outfits. Is there something that emotionally disturbs you about that comment, because it seems true enough to me.
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These "religious outfits" are feeding the hungry, providing disaster relief, helping drug addicts break their addition, sheltering single mothers and their children, providing free after school programs and many other communities service at a cost far less expensive them if they were run by the federal government. But you still have it backwards. There would be no need for a tax break if the income tax didn't exist. And whatever those tax breaks amount to my guess is it would tax ten times as much for the federal government to do the things these churches are doing channeled through government red tape and bureaucracy. You can kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of the income tax. Last edited on 02:54 am by pmh1nic |
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pmh1nic wrote: You can kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of the income tax. Yes, I agree, but until we do, or whether or not we do, we should not have tax breaks for religious outfits. Are you having a nervous breakdown or something?
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"Yes, I agree, but until we do..." Why "until we do"? Again, these religious organizations were providing these services before the income tax. The income tax was viewed as a hinderance to these "clubs" providing these services and that is why the exemptions were allowed. Get rid of the tax and the exemptions are necessary. "Are you having a nervous breakdown or something?" The only nervous breakdown is the one you're imagining in your mind. I'm simply responding factually to the issue.
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pmh1nic wrote: "Yes, I agree, but until we do..." Why until we do? Because we may never or it might take a long, long time. As to why, on principle? I don't think you will understand if you can't even grasp how providing services before the income tax is irrelevant. That is why I mentioned slavery and other associated Church-fueled and condoned activities. Past activity does not equate to something appropriate for today. You don't want the tax break for religious outfits removed under the current tax arrangement, apparently. That's great, that is your right to feel that way. I don't.
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