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"I don't think you will understand if you can't even grasp how providing services before the income tax is irrelevant. That is why I mentioned slavery and other associated Church-fueled and condoned activities. Past activity does not equate to something appropriate for today." Whatever real or imagined negative things the church may or may not have fueled in the past is irrelevant to this discussion. These religious organizations were providing these valuable community services before the income tax was established. The exemptions were a recognition of the benefit of those services and an attempt to avoid hindering the providing of those services. "You don't want the tax break for religious outfits removed under the current tax arrangement, apparently." No, what I want is an end of the income tax. Ending the tax break for religious organizations ultimately increases the tax burden when the federal and state government try to step in and provide those services at cost that will FAR EXCEED the cost of providing these services by religious organizations.    "As to why, on principle?" You still don't get it. You've swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. Again, you have the "principle" backwards. The "principle" is knowing that the only money the government has is the money it takes from the American people. The so-called "tax breaks" are not a government give back but a decision not to take what in reality doesn't belong to them (the government) in the first place. Last edited on 02:44 pm by pmh1nic |
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So anyway, as I was saying, I am for ending tax breaks to religious outfits, whether the current system changes or not. I don't believe my tax dollars should be spent on faith-based programs, either. That's my tax dollars condoning religious cults. Sorry, not cool.
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Let me add something else - before another tax break or dollar goes toward these freaks of human nature, I insist that first every single one of them involved with their never-ending historical abuse of children, stand trial for child molestation - INCLUDING all the highest ranking scumbags that covered it up, looked the other way, and relocated the known molesters. If this was a company that did that, they would be in jail. So it's time we treat these cults and their leaders just like any company or anyone else who might get a tax break or tax dollar. In fact, forget the tax thing, just like any typical American who engaged in that corrupt and immoral behavior regarding children. The club should have been shunned, disbanded, or at the very least, its key agents, criminals, and accomplices dragged out of their archaic dumb-looking outfits through the street and into the courthouse, ending the excuses and special treatment for nutjobs that think God wrote a book and either molest children or cover it up.
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24HourNut wrote: So anyway, as I was saying, I am for ending tax breaks to religious outfits, whether the current system changes or not. I don't believe my tax dollars should be spent on faith-based programs, either. That's my tax dollars condoning religious cults. Sorry, not cool. This bit of hot air or waste of electrical energy wasn't necessary.
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24HourNut wrote: Let me add something else - before another tax break or dollar goes toward these freaks of human nature, I insist that first every single one of them involved with their never-ending historical abuse of children, stand trial for child molestation - INCLUDING all the highest ranking scumbags that covered it up, looked the other way, and relocated the known molesters. If this was a company that did that, they would be in jail. So it's time we treat these cults and their leaders just like any company or anyone else who might get a tax break or tax dollar. In fact, forget the tax thing, just like any typical American who engaged in that corrupt and immoral behavior regarding children. The club should have been shunned, disbanded, or at the very least, its key agents, criminals, and accomplices dragged out of their archaic dumb-looking outfits through the street and into the courthouse, ending the excuses and special treatment for nutjobs that think God wrote a book and either molest children or cover it up. Frank, it looks like you're the one having the nervous breakdown.  Your tax break argument has no factual or logical basis so you become hysterical and throw in the reprehensible abuse committed by a small fraction of those that are part of one particular religious organization to condemn them all. Your strawman argument won't workiing. The overwhelming vast majority of those involved in religious organizations absolute and totally condemn the abuses you're alluding to. So stop with the hyperventilating and hysteria.
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Pardon me for going totally  here, but I have to tell you guys that there is little more entertaining than watching Frank and PMH going at it. Two more stubborn people were never born. 
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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pmh1nic wrote: 24HourNut wrote:So anyway, as I was saying, I am for ending tax breaks to religious outfits, whether the current system changes or not. I don't believe my tax dollars should be spent on faith-based programs, either. That's my tax dollars condoning religious cults. Sorry, not cool. You are going to have to look in the mirror on that one since I was fighting fire with fire. 
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pmh1nic wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Let me add something else - before another tax break or dollar goes toward these freaks of human nature, I insist that first every single one of them involved with their never-ending historical abuse of children, stand trial for child molestation - INCLUDING all the highest ranking scumbags that covered it up, looked the other way, and relocated the known molesters. If this was a company that did that, they would be in jail. So it's time we treat these cults and their leaders just like any company or anyone else who might get a tax break or tax dollar. In fact, forget the tax thing, just like any typical American who engaged in that corrupt and immoral behavior regarding children. The club should have been shunned, disbanded, or at the very least, its key agents, criminals, and accomplices dragged out of their archaic dumb-looking outfits through the street and into the courthouse, ending the excuses and special treatment for nutjobs that think God wrote a book and either molest children or cover it up. I don't find it appropriate to give tax breaks or tax dollars to cult operations, especially when they have not been properly held accountable for covering up child molestation. I understand your willingness to use tax dollars on them, but that is more a reflection of your fanaticism and relative morality and floating principles of convenience. Now, like I said, I don't support using tax dollars to give these religious outfits either tax breaks or programming money. You do, and that's great. I wouldn't expect anything less from a religious fanatic. I, on the other hand, don't agree with it. Now hurry along and go be outraged at how the cult leaders were not held accountable for covering up the worst things you can do to people - molest and abuse children. That way, your hot air can at least be morally sane hot air.
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UsedToRide wrote: Pardon me for going totally God never told me it was going to be easy going up against those like Pmh and Palin who think organized worship is required, God wrote a book, the End of Times is coming, we are going to lovingly burn in hell tortured forever, dinosaurs were around several thousand years ago, etc. God did NOT tell me this would be easy so I don't expect anything less than stubborness and the need to fight fire with fire.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Did you know that the only "religious" organisation in America that pays taxes and campaigns that all other religious organisations should do the same is the Church of Satan in San Francisco?
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I also like their attitude towards the influence of religion in law and order......
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I'm all for stopping tax breaks for all religions....Then the fringe loonie ones would go out of "business".........A double blessing.
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UTR "Two more stubborn people were never born." But I have being old as an excuse  .
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"I don't find it appropriate to give tax breaks or tax dollars to cult operations, especially when they have not been properly held accountable for covering up child molestation." This is just more of you hysterics, hyperventilating and strawman argument. What "you like" doesn't set the agenda. You don't get to define what is and isn't a "cult operation". The overwhelming vast majority of those involved in religious organizations don't support and absolutely do NOT condone in any way, shape or form child molestation, so this is another one of your phony arguments. "I understand your willingness to use tax dollars on them, but that is more a reflection of your fanaticism and relative morality and floating principles of convenience." Again, you continue to ignor the fundamental facts, no income tax, no exemption required. "Now, like I said, I don't support using tax dollars to give these religious outfits either tax breaks or programming money." Answer don't collect the tax. "Now hurry along and go be outraged at how the cult leaders were not held accountable for covering up the worst things you can do to people - molest and abuse children. That way, your hot air can at least be morally sane hot air." Your strawman, irrational arguments don't outrage me. After telling the king he is wear no clothes three or four times his continued ignorance to that fact only serves to amuses me. Last edited on 09:02 pm by pmh1nic |
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"Did you know that the only "religious" organisation in America that pays taxes and campaigns that all other religious organisations should do the same is the Church of Satan in San Francisco?" How many hospitals, schools, orphanages, soup kitchens, drug addiction centers have they built? How many millions of tons of disaster relief, including food, medical supplies, clothing, etc., etc. have then sent around the world? "No tolerance for religious beliefs secularized and incorporated into law and order issues..." Take some time and think about this statement. It may take you a while but at some point you may realize the total idiocy of this statement.
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