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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Tax breaks and tax dollars should not go to religious organizations for many reasons. I just happen to find it extra offensive that we have to use tax dollars on an organization that has yet to be held accountable for covering up child molestation and enabling it farther. I don't care if the vast majority in them don't condone it - the heads of that organization should be held accountable and assets seized while jailed. It's funny to watch people pick and choose when they are into holding people accountable. The best part is, they want to make excuses and force people to look the other way with their tax dollars. How about, YOU can give that corrupt cult YOUR money, but eliminate it from having everyone forced to. So get rid of tax dollars and breaks for these cults, but let people like you, Pmh, give all you want. That's the Republican spirit, right? Individual choice, Government not involved as much as possible, hold child molesters and other criminals accountable? Good, glad we agree. But regardless of which reason you select, in the end, I don't believe tax dollars or breaks should go to those outfits.
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"Tax breaks and tax dollars should not go to religious organizations for many reasons." You are dense. We are not using tax dollars on these organizations. "I don't care if the vast majority in them don't condone it...How about, YOU can give that corrupt cult YOUR money..." Do you care about the pornography industry that supports, promotes and condones child molestation? How much money do you donate to them?
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We are not using tax dollars on these organizations. Aren't we using tax dollars to fund faith-based programs? " "I don't care if the vast majority in them don't condone it...How about, YOU can give that corrupt cult YOUR money..." First, are you acknowledging my previous point that it should be up to the individual to donate to religious outfits, instead of forcing tax payers to fund it? And that we should hold people accountable for child molestation when we know they covered up, relocated them, allowing more kids to get abused? I mean you DO think those bastards should be brought up on charges, right? That way, instead of all of us being forced to condone it, just you can with your money and your floating sense of morals and principles, as you conveniently skirt the accountability issue for those molesting, and molester-accomplice scums. I don't see you coming out strongly and clearly saying we should hold the heads (and anyone involved in the constant cover ups) of that religious club accountable before that organization gets another dime. I wouldn't want my money giving tax breaks to a food, clothing, or oil company if they were guilty of covering up child molestation at the highest levels. So why should a cult or religious group be treated any differently?
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For all those that agree with Mr. Biden. It is my understanding the the IRS takes checks. Why wait for them to take it from you. Feel patriotic today, write the IRS a non deductable check today.
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24HourNut wrote: We are not using tax dollars on these organizations. Please try to stay focused. We were talking about tax exemptions. In my opinion we should not be using tax dollars to fund faith based programs. For that matter I have a problem with the Federal Government funding just about anything other then national defense and border security. My original position regarding tax exemptions hasn't changed. Those exemptions should remain for the original reason they were established. Beyond that get rid of the income tax and we'll both be happy. If you read my statement it is absolutely clear that I think those responsible for child molestation or covering it up should be held accountable. Now you've asked a lot of questions but you haven't answered the questions I asked. I'll repeat them for you... "Do you care about the pornography industry that supports, promotes and condones child molestation? How much money do you donate to them?"
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pmh1nic wrote: Please try to stay focused. We were talking about tax exemptions. I am focused - I can't help it if this is the path you've taken us just because I agreed with your original comment about what power the Constitution grants, the spending of your money, and charities. I don't believe the Constitution grants special treatment toward religious outfits with my tax dollars in any form. I am glad we agree on that. I am also glad you believe the heads of the religious child molester ring should be held accountable. Hopefully you also understand that we should not give that club a penny until they are. Do you care about the pornography industry that supports, promotes and condones child molestation? How much money do you donate to them?" I do care that children are abused in that and any industry. I don't donate money to them.
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24HourNut wrote: pmh1nic wrote:Please try to stay focused. We were talking about tax exemptions. "I don't donate money to them." I thought you said you and your wife at times enjoy watching porngraphy together. Has that changed?
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pmh1nic wrote: I don't donate money to them." Is this more "brains on Bible" logic? I thought you were asking about making donations to someone?
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"Is this more "brains on Bible" logic? I thought you were asking about making donations to someone?" So you care about the fact that children are abused in that industry but you still support it with your purchases (donations). Is that correct?
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pmh1nic wrote: "Is this more "brains on Bible" logic? I thought you were asking about making donations to someone?" I don't view or buy child porn so I don't support it. Just like how I don't support child porn when I buy any movie. Do you support the religious child molesters because you subscribe to their club? I wouldn't consider a purchase of something to be a donation. Regardless, if I wanted to support something I would expect to use my own money, not make others use their tax dollars to pay for it, such as using tax dollars to fund faith-based programs. I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect an organization to properly pay for their role in covering up and enabling more child molesting before having them get near a tax dollar.
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24HourNut wrote: pmh1nic wrote:"Is this more "brains on Bible" logic? I thought you were asking about making donations to someone?" So you are sure that none of the money you spend on pornography and supports the pornography industry is in no way, shape or form is used to produce or promote child pornography? As for tax exemptions you still haven't got it straight. The money I and tens of millions of others donated to religious organizations is OUR money.
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So you are sure that none of the money you spend on pornography and supports the pornography industry is in no way, shape or form is used to produce or promote child pornography? Just as sure as you are that none of your money has ever supported the molesting of children in that cult of yours. As for tax exemptions you still haven't got it straight. The money I and tens of millions of others donated to religious organizations is OUR money. Tax dollars to support faith-based programs forces ALL citizens to support and condone those organizations - you know, the one that has not been properly held accountable for hiding molesters and knowingly facilitating the abuse of children - especially at the highest levels of that cult. If you and people like you want to support them, you can do it privately instead of everyone being forced to. That gets back to YOUR original point about the Constitution not granted that power, being liberal with my money, and paying for charities.
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24HourNut wrote: So you are sure that none of the money you spend on pornography and supports the pornography industry is in no way, shape or form is used to produce or promote child pornography? I can say with 100% assurace as a 20 year member of the board of my church that none of the money donated to the church is used in any way, shape of form to promote the molestation of children. In fact some of that money goes to organizations that fight pornography near schools, civil centers and general populaton. My guess is you're not so sure how that money you donate is spend. Again, I have have a problem with taxes dollars being spend on religious programs. In fact that money should not even be collected. It should stay in the community.
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I can say with 100% assurace as a 20 year member of the board of my church that none of the money donated to the church is used in any way, shape of form to promote the molestation of children. In fact some of that money goes to organizations that fight pornography near schools, civil centers and general populaton. Nice try, but you're kidding yourself. You can't be 100% because you can't be 100% sure that there were never any child molesters there, or wherever some of their money may have been used in association with. Many cases are not reported. Don't pretend to have 100% money tracking ability. That's a joke. My guess is you're not so sure how that money you donate is spend. That's how I feel about your certainty. And besides, you also "guess" that God lovingly tortures people forever in Hell for not picking a club with Jesus in it, so you'll have to excuse me not being moved by your guessing skills. Either way, I do not knowingly support child abuse just like you. This is just another ridiculous tangent you took us on. You know, that hot air spinning you like to accuse me of. Again, I have have a problem with taxes dollars being spend on religious programs. In fact that money should not even be collected. It should stay in the community. Again, I agree with you, and before another dollar goes to their organization they should be held properly accountable for hiding and helping child molesters. Just like any company would have to. Except if you're Halliburton. Then you can get away with almost anything with your corrupt buddies.
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"Nice try, but you're kidding yourself. You can't be 100% because you can't be 100% sure that there were never any child molesters there, or wherever some of their money may have been used in association with. Many cases are not reported. Don't pretend to have 100% money tracking ability. That's a joke." Wrong. It's not a nice try it's a fact. Having said that I'm 100 more certain that the money donated to my church isn't used for that purpose versus the money you "donate" to the pornography industry. If you're so concerned about child molestation stop your donations to the industry that feeds this perversion. Back to tax exemptions. All of your spinning doesn't change the facts. Fact - Religious organizations were providing vital community services before the income tax. Fact - Tax exemptions for donations to these organizations were established so as not to hinder the services they provide. Fact - It would cost the government significantly more money to provide those services. Fact - The government has no Constitutional mandate to provide those services Fact - The government can only give back what it has first taken Fact - If you get rid of the income tax you also get rid of the exemption
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