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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Pmh, was something you wrote supposed to make me think it's appropriate for religious organizations to keep getting special tax treatment or our tax dollars at all? Because it didn't. You can keep coming up with excuses and sidetracks but I don't think forcing everyone to use their tax dollars to fund a known child molester ring that has yet to be held accountable is appropriate. I don't think the Government should be using tax dollars to fund organized religion, even indirectly, or to give tax breaks. Sorry.
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24HourNut wrote: Pmh, was something you wrote supposed to make me think it's appropriate for religious organizations to keep getting special tax treatment or our tax dollars at all? Because it didn't. You can keep coming up with excuses and sidetracks but I don't think forcing everyone to use their tax dollars to fund a known child molester ring that has yet to be held accountable is appropriate. I don't think the Government should be using tax dollars to fund organized religion, even indirectly, or to give tax breaks. Sorry. Actually I had very little confidence that facts and logical reasoning would change your mind but it's my nature to keep trying. You can go back to your porn and support of child molestation, rape and incest.
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pmh1nic wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Pmh, was something you wrote supposed to make me think it's appropriate for religious organizations to keep getting special tax treatment or our tax dollars at all? Because it didn't. You can keep coming up with excuses and sidetracks but I don't think forcing everyone to use their tax dollars to fund a known child molester ring that has yet to be held accountable is appropriate. I don't think the Government should be using tax dollars to fund organized religion, even indirectly, or to give tax breaks. Sorry. Nothing in your facts or reasoning makes it AOK for Government to force all citizens to support or condone a religious outfit that has not yet been properly held accountable. No fact you presented makes it so that they should be treated differently than a company in that regard. No fact you presented makes it OK to force all citizens, using tax dollars, to condone and finance that cult (or any religious institution) or to give special tax breaks to it. Like you said - the Constitution doesn't grant the Fed that power. So from all angles my position is valid and supported. You are just letting your religious fanaticism and Palin-like religious insanity cloud your judgment.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote: "Tax breaks and tax dollars should not go to religious organizations for many reasons." No, we're just not GETTING tax dollars from them. And if you don't like the Fed taxing churches, fine. Let the State and City do it. Last edited on 04:23 pm by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote:
Tax the crap out of them too.
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Sirlamre "No, we're just not GETTING tax dollars from them. And if you don't like the Fed taxing churches, fine." I don't "like" the Fed taxing anyone but I do understand that taxes are necessary for things like national defense and border security. My guess is the tax exemptions that allow these organizations to continue to provide community services make up a tiny portion of the overall tax dollars collected AND the Federal government could get by without that money if it stuck to doing the things it was created and Constitutionally mandated to do. Get rid of the income tax and eliminate Federal government spending on social programs.
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sirlamre wrote: pmh1nic wrote:"Tax breaks and tax dollars should not go to religious organizations for many reasons." Sirlamre, I was also referring to the tax money that goes to faith-based programming, not just the tax breaks.
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The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a comprehensive study that found that four percent of all priests who had served in the U.S. from 1950 to 2002 faced some sort of sexual accusation.[3] Can you imagine what the true number is? You can multiple that number by a few times since only part of the cases would ever be reported or documented, and many of these emotionally stunted whackos don't get caught, ever. Not to mention the people who knew and covered up would be a multiple as well. So if you just double or triple their own 4% figure, that gets you 1 in 10 priests messing around with kids. Of if you want to add the cover up people, you likely get well past 1 in 10 either molesting kids or covering it up. Part of the problem the cover ups were so massive and at the highest levels was because these archaic dopes thought such things could be remedied with religious counseling, prayer, and other assorted ignorance typical of that cult So YAH, I don't think tax dollars should go near these freaks. Especially if the faith-based programming we pay for with our tax dollars puts them near kids.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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24HourNut wrote: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a comprehensive study that found that four percent of all priests who had served in the U.S. from 1950 to 2002 faced some sort of sexual accusation.[3] Child abuse in the Catholic church is endemic and always has been, thankfully now we have more victims willing to come forward and report the offences being committed against them. It makes me feel physically ill that the Catholic church go to such lengths to defend the offenders and their disgusting crimes.
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Keep in mind, too, that MANY of these priests sexually molested MANY kids and STILL DO. So don't imagine one for one in these numbers.
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24hn There is no excusing child molestation for any reason. Having said that you don't condemn the vast majority of those involved in religious organizations, who have done and continue to do tremendous good, based on the conduct of a few. The vast majority of rapes and molestations are NOT committed by priest. But one of thing common to most of those that commit these acts is their consumption of pornography, an industry you support with your "donations". The tax exemptions for donations to religious organizations is an acknowledgment of the tremendous amount of good work they do. It is also an acknowledgement that the government is incapable of matching those effort given the same resources. It makes me feel ill thinking that this industry is allowed to exist and promoted by you given all the terrible effects the consumption of this material has on our society. Again, get rid of the income tax and the exemptions aren't necessary.
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Am I supposed to feel what you feel, Pmh, or can I have a valid opinion that differs from you that says I, and others like me, should not be forced to condone or support religious outfits like that? I don't agree that Government should be using tax dollars or tax policies to benefit cults or any religious outfit. I think that's a reasonable, and valid position. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it invalid somehow. Your excuses, ranging from their good work to irrelevant porn comments, aren't cutting it.
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24hn "can I have a valid opinion that differs from you..." You can have your opinion but whether it's valid is for others to decide. From my point of view it is not, especially your view that it is AOK to give "donations" to an industry like the porn industry that supports rape and child molestation. I don't think government should be supporting religious organizations. If we get rid of the income tax maybe the government will be forced to focus on the important issues like national defense and border security. Until that happens we shouldn't increase taxes on the American people that donate money to these organizations that are doing vital community service.
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your view that it is AOK to give "donations" to an industry like the porn industry that supports rape and child molestation. Ok, I just can't take this any longer. If Frank buys porn, as do a huge number of people, (myself included) he does not get to determine where the money he pays for it goes to. It goes into the cash register and then it's out of his hands. Anyone who gives money to a church - more churches than just the catholic church - they are giving money to an organization that condones and white-washes and hides and excuses baby rapers. The church that was inflicted upon me when I was growing up is another one of those, and it ain't catholic. It's one of many reasons I left religion behind. You see it how you want to see it, PMH. As you do everything else, and the hell with the facts.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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pmh1nic wrote: 24hn Porn viewing supports child porn as much as church donations and visits support the widespread child molestation and cover ups. That being said, I am glad that we agree the Government should not be supporting religious organizations. That was my point. It should end, on principle. Many other things in the world should end on principle, no kidding, but that's one of them I would vote for tomorrow. We already see enough influence of religion on Government. Bush is a fine example of that. Palin threatens to be another archaic nut.
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