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It's legal, a film cannot be released without a British Board of Film Classification certificate (with a few exceptions, i.e nature documentaries, keep fit dvd's are released certificate "E" or "Exempt from classification").
Studios often used to work in accordance with local authorities, some areas would refuse to release certain films, but now there is a national standard that studios have to adhere to if they want their films released in the UK.
The BBFC used to be a lot more draconian than they are now, there has been a shift towards re-releasing more so called "video nasties" that were banned in the 1980's (video nasties were basically low budget horror films or tasteless exploitation films). And there is far less censoring and editing of films than there used to be.
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Posted: 03:45 pm |
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I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
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Posted: 03:53 pm |
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foxglovepress wrote:
I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
The article doesn't say why. I can take a guess that the teacher didn't think the material was inappropriate and it would entertain the kids.
I do have to say that I was surprised how many younger kids were at the movie with their parents when I saw it (both times). There looked to be kids there that were no older than 6. In my mind, that's too young to understand most of the humor, let alone the "adult" parts. It's not like I think the kids would be damaged by it, but I can't see what they'd get out of it. I noticed there were even parts where my nephew seemed to be laughing without really understanding what it was he was laughing at.
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
The article doesn't say why. I can take a guess that the teacher didn't think the material was inappropriate and it would entertain the kids.
I do have to say that I was surprised how many younger kids were at the movie with their parents when I saw it (both times). There looked to be kids there that were no older than 6. In my mind, that's too young to understand most of the humor, let alone the "adult" parts. It's not like I think the kids would be damaged by it, but I can't see what they'd get out of it. I noticed there were even parts where my nephew seemed to be laughing without really understanding what it was he was laughing at.
If the movie isn't of some educational value, why should a teacher be showing it in the class room! That's one of the reasons we pulled Shanii out of this school district. Constantly having subs, who just sat the students in front of a TV screen. They're suppose to be in school to be taught SOMETHING! Most children watch too much TV anyway. To have the teachers putting a video in to entertain children when they're at school is a waste of the students time AND our tax dollars! Then, to have it be rated inappropriate for that age.......I don't know, maybe she should have been fired after all.
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Posted: 04:28 pm |
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
The article doesn't say why. I can take a guess that the teacher didn't think the material was inappropriate and it would entertain the kids.
I do have to say that I was surprised how many younger kids were at the movie with their parents when I saw it (both times). There looked to be kids there that were no older than 6. In my mind, that's too young to understand most of the humor, let alone the "adult" parts. It's not like I think the kids would be damaged by it, but I can't see what they'd get out of it. I noticed there were even parts where my nephew seemed to be laughing without really understanding what it was he was laughing at.
If the movie isn't of some educational value, why should a teacher be showing it in the class room! That's one of the reasons we pulled Shanii out of this school district. Constantly having subs, who just sat the students in front of a TV screen. They're suppose to be in school to be taught SOMETHING! Most children watch too much TV anyway. To have the teachers putting a video in to entertain children when they're at school is a waste of the students time AND our tax dollars! Then, to have it be rated inappropriate for that age.......I don't know, maybe she should have been fired after all.
Honestly, I remember plenty of subs just putting on movies when I was in school. They were nominally of educational value, but not so you could notice. Then you get the subs who'd just tell you to "do homework" (as if that ever happened when one of them said that).
I agree that entertainment shouldn't've been on the agenda, and I don't really have a problem witht he teacher being fired. My only issue was with the "why". Legally, the bigger issue was the movie piracy, not the teacher's failure to adhere to a voluntary standard. Now, if there was actual nudity (of live characters) in the movie, then that would be a different story, because then you're potentially creeping into "harmful to minors" territory, where the teacher and the school is in serious legal jeopardy. But if it was only the rating the school was worried about, she deserved a stern talking-to (where the words " were you thinking?!" would probalby come into play), but not a firing. Kids today see much worse than the Simpsons movie. (I watched Lord of the Rings with my nephew, and I was appalled at the level of violence. Yikes.)
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
The article doesn't say why. I can take a guess that the teacher didn't think the material was inappropriate and it would entertain the kids.
I do have to say that I was surprised how many younger kids were at the movie with their parents when I saw it (both times). There looked to be kids there that were no older than 6. In my mind, that's too young to understand most of the humor, let alone the "adult" parts. It's not like I think the kids would be damaged by it, but I can't see what they'd get out of it. I noticed there were even parts where my nephew seemed to be laughing without really understanding what it was he was laughing at.
If the movie isn't of some educational value, why should a teacher be showing it in the class room! That's one of the reasons we pulled Shanii out of this school district. Constantly having subs, who just sat the students in front of a TV screen. They're suppose to be in school to be taught SOMETHING! Most children watch too much TV anyway. To have the teachers putting a video in to entertain children when they're at school is a waste of the students time AND our tax dollars! Then, to have it be rated inappropriate for that age.......I don't know, maybe she should have been fired after all.
Honestly, I remember plenty of subs just putting on movies when I was in school. They were nominally of educational value, but not so you could notice. Then you get the subs who'd just tell you to "do homework" (as if that ever happened when one of them said that).
I agree that entertainment shouldn't've been on the agenda, and I don't really have a problem witht he teacher being fired. My only issue was with the "why". Legally, the bigger issue was the movie piracy, not the teacher's failure to adhere to a voluntary standard. Now, if there was actual nudity (of live characters) in the movie, then that would be a different story, because then you're potentially creeping into "harmful to minors" territory, where the teacher and the school is in serious legal jeopardy. But if it was only the rating the school was worried about, she deserved a stern talking-to (where the words " were you thinking?!" would probalby come into play), but not a firing. Kids today see much worse than the Simpsons movie. (I watched Lord of the Rings with my nephew, and I was appalled at the level of violence. Yik
Okay...let me ask you this. IF in fact you're allowing you're judgement or the school teachers judgement to decide whether the movie was appropriate, aren't you taking that decision out of the parents hands? Maybe I don't like the overall "statement" the movie is saying. What if part of the reason the movie was PG 13 was not nudity (which you might feel is in appropriate) but telling children parents are stupid, or kids are smarter than the dumb parents in the movie? I didn't see the movie, but I DO know that sometimes, movies are rated not for violence or sexual content, but rather the "message". I still say the teacher should have been in just as much trouble for showing the rated movie to children who were not that age! She had no right!
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My biggest objection is that the teacher showed a pirated film. He or she is basically condoning theft.
My second objection is that the Simpsons movie was shown during school time. I can't see what educational value it could have for children. This wasn't a college film studies class.
The material wasn't the most appropriate for children, but that's not as big of a deal as showing a pirated movie with no educational value during class time.
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Posted: 06:41 pm |
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
I haven't seen the movie, but some of the descriptions here make me wonder WHY did the teacher show the movie? Was the reason ever brought up?
The article doesn't say why. I can take a guess that the teacher didn't think the material was inappropriate and it would entertain the kids.
I do have to say that I was surprised how many younger kids were at the movie with their parents when I saw it (both times). There looked to be kids there that were no older than 6. In my mind, that's too young to understand most of the humor, let alone the "adult" parts. It's not like I think the kids would be damaged by it, but I can't see what they'd get out of it. I noticed there were even parts where my nephew seemed to be laughing without really understanding what it was he was laughing at.
If the movie isn't of some educational value, why should a teacher be showing it in the class room! That's one of the reasons we pulled Shanii out of this school district. Constantly having subs, who just sat the students in front of a TV screen. They're suppose to be in school to be taught SOMETHING! Most children watch too much TV anyway. To have the teachers putting a video in to entertain children when they're at school is a waste of the students time AND our tax dollars! Then, to have it be rated inappropriate for that age.......I don't know, maybe she should have been fired after all.
Honestly, I remember plenty of subs just putting on movies when I was in school. They were nominally of educational value, but not so you could notice. Then you get the subs who'd just tell you to "do homework" (as if that ever happened when one of them said that).
I agree that entertainment shouldn't've been on the agenda, and I don't really have a problem witht he teacher being fired. My only issue was with the "why". Legally, the bigger issue was the movie piracy, not the teacher's failure to adhere to a voluntary standard. Now, if there was actual nudity (of live characters) in the movie, then that would be a different story, because then you're potentially creeping into "harmful to minors" territory, where the teacher and the school is in serious legal jeopardy. But if it was only the rating the school was worried about, she deserved a stern talking-to (where the words " were you thinking?!" would probalby come into play), but not a firing. Kids today see much worse than the Simpsons movie. (I watched Lord of the Rings with my nephew, and I was appalled at the level of violence. Yik
Okay...let me ask you this. IF in fact you're allowing you're judgement or the school teachers judgement to decide whether the movie was appropriate, aren't you taking that decision out of the parents hands? Maybe I don't like the overall "statement" the movie is saying. What if part of the reason the movie was PG 13 was not nudity (which you might feel is in appropriate) but telling children parents are stupid, or kids are smarter than the dumb parents in the movie? I didn't see the movie, but I DO know that sometimes, movies are rated not for violence or sexual content, but rather the "message". I still say the teacher should have been in just as much trouble for showing the rated movie to children who were not that age! She had no right!
The school always substitutes its judgement for the parents' judgement. That's nothing new. You don't get to decide what your kid is taught in science class, or in math. As a parent, you have the right to complain, of course, but you don't proactively set the curriculum.
I honestly don't know why movies are rated what they are in all situations, but I know the big four that decide ratings are violence, sex, language, and drugs (not necessarily in that order). The much wiser thing would've been to get parents' permission before you show a film that is rated above the age of your students, but I still don't see that as as serious a thing as committing an actual crime (which pirating the DVD and showing it publicly was).
I wonder if Fox (or their parent company, if they have one) will come after the teacher for copyright violation.
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