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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Here are some interesting recommendations about videogames and children at Christmastime: Attachment: (Downloaded times)
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Saint wrote: Here are some interesting recommendations about videogames and children at Christmastime: Yeah. Are you trying to make a wider point here ? In the UK all video games are marked with an Age Certificate clearly stating the intended audience for that game. The vast majority of retailers and their staff are law bound to ask the age of any xmas gift recipient before offering the game for sale. As it should be, my daughter has a gameboy advance with games only appropriate for her age group, with a couple of exceptions of 2 power rangers games that are technically for ages 10+ but contain nothing that wouldn't be shown in a average power rangers episode (i.e extras in costumes jumping around like idiots).
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Unfortunately, the exact opposite is true in the US. Although there is a rating system, almost no one pays attention to it, employees are NOT law bound to check, and basically 5-year-olds can rent, view, or download anything they want. Group warns parents about video game sex, violence WASHINGTON (AP) -- Graphic scenes of gunshot victims spurting blood and a jailer urinating into a prisoner's cell are included among the 10 video games that a media watchdog group warns should be avoided by kids and teens under 17. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, watches a scene from a violent video game during a news conference. With the holiday shopping season in full swing, the National Institute on Media and the Family presented its 12th annual video game report card Tuesday to help parents decide what games are appropriate for their children. "There's an endless stream of new games that will never be suitable for children," said Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minnesota, who joined institute officials and other lawmakers at a news conference. Efforts to protect children from the dangers posed by excessively violent video games have not kept pace with growth of the video game industry, the institute said. Institute officials cited "growing complacency" among game retailers, parents and the gaming industry on video game ratings. "Unfortunately, we're seeing some steps backwards," said institute president David Walsh. Walsh said fewer retailers, for example, are participating in efforts to educate their customers and employers about the video game ratings. The institute, a media watchdog group, cited figures showing that nearly half of kids between 8 and 12 have played M-rated games intended for those 17 and over. But the industry's Entertainment Software Rating Board, which assigns game ratings, defended the effectiveness of its program. "At a time of year when parents are looking for helpful guidance about video games, this year's report card does little more than sow unwarranted doubt about effective tools like ESRB ratings," said ESRB president Patricia Vance. Vance said a recent Federal Trade Commission report called the ESRB rating system useful and informative for parents. The institute showed gory scenes of sword, gun and knife violence from several video games. A scene from "Assassin's Creed" depicts an attacker plunging a knife into his victim's back several times. A jailer in "Manhunt 2" taunts his prisoner by urinating into the man's cell. A fallen victim's body is riddled with gunfire as blood spurts across the screen in "The Darkness." The group's list of 10 "games to avoid, " all M-rated, are in the video game report card on its Web site, http://www.mediafamily.org, along with a list of recommended games for kids and teens. E-mail to a friend Last edited on 01:11 am by Saint A^2 + B^2 = C^2 |
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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I have serious doubts about the effect video games, films or TV programs can effectively have on the behaviour of juveniles. I am more concerned with the behaviour of parents, the effect of poverty and actual home environment on juveniles than any media. The breeding ground for future sociapaths, murderers, career criminals is nearly always because of :- A - Parents and their behaviour B - financial security and C - the home envrionment juveniles live in. The media (films, games, TV) are convenient scapegoats for lack of parental responsibility, impoverishment and the effect of a negative home environment on juveniles in my opinion.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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OK, I'll agree part way with that view...Let's say that violent videogames are throwing "gasoline on the fire." Shall we?
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member  Witty clever title pending
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Pfui...any store clerk starts interrogating me about who I'm buying for gets a boot up his butt quicker than you can say "none of your damn business."
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Erinna1112 wrote:Pfui...any store clerk starts interrogating me about who I'm buying for gets a boot up his butt quicker than you can say "none of your damn business." Meaning that you condone violence and sex for pre-teens or that you are too responsible to every buy that kind of thing for a young child? I can't tell from your response.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Saint wrote: OK, I'll agree part way with that view...Let's say that violent videogames are throwing "gasoline on the fire." Shall we? No I don't believe that violent video games have any significant effect on childrens behaviour accept in a very small number of cases where the more likely cause is the psychological/emotional health of the child in question more than the content of any video game they might play. Video games are a scapegoat, a convenient bugbear that parents of out of control/unruly/law breaking kids can use as an excuse for their lack of parental skills. Be more concerned about the home life of children, their relationships with their parents and the relationship they have with their fellow children, these are far more important concerns than what video games they play. Recently in the UK, the game Manhunter 2 was banned outright in the UK, thats bullshit, show me one person who has committed a violent act directly linked to playing a violent video game and I will show 100,000 others who have committed violent acts not related to playing violent video games. Concentrating so much on video games influence on children ? you really can't see the wood for the trees.
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I disagree. I work with children. I know for a fact after 15 years of observation that disturbing music and games make disturbed children. It's no coincidence that the 5 pregnant teens in my second hour class all consider themselves, "Juggalettes" and hero-worship the sex and violence glorifying band, ICP. Moreover, I also know that when I am listening to Frank Sinatra in my truck, I am courteous and relaxed. But when I put in Rammstein, I begin to drive faster, road rage, and cut people off. I think that you are worried that you will be sentenced to watching "Barney" and "Sesame Street" if people like myself are successful in putting limits on what children can watch and listen to. Don't worry, you'll still be free to wallow in whatever quagmire you like. It's innocence I am worried about protecting.
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member Witty clever title pending
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Saint wrote: Erinna1112 wrote: Neither of those has to apply, and neither of these is the point. The point is that it's the retail clerk's job to smile pretty and ask if there's any other little thing they can do for me. It is not the retail clerk's job to have any input whatsoever into how I raise my child.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Saint wrote: I disagree. I work with children. I know for a fact after 15 years of observation that disturbing music and games make disturbed children. please provide facts and figures to back up your claims, are you a a parent ?, I am and while closely observing the progress of my daughter I have found the these claims of music and games to be false and detracting from the REAL issues of Home environment, parental relations and financial deprivation of far more pertinent issues than video games. Are you a parent ?, if not I don't care how many children you have "worked" with you are missing a vital component for true understanding and empathy.
Are you seriously blaming a CD by a rap group for teen pregnancy ? in your class ?
I can listen to many kinds of music, when I listen to the music I like regardless of its tone it calms me. Thats because I have a brain that discerns quite quickly whether I like or I don't. I am able to listen music with the required distance as a listener and I don't think teenagers or children are any different. "My Way" is one of the most selfish, "f**K everybody else" songs ever written !, basically an ode to the singer of the song, I hate it because it is so aggressive, self congratulatory, ego driven and nihilistic !, Just because a song has a "big band" tune behind it doesn't make it any less questionable !
If short sighted reactionaries like you are controlling censorship you are damn right I am worried !, you seem to class the media as more influential than parents and teachers !, I thought you were a teacher ?, maybe you should try harder ?
Quagmire ?, Innocence ? Oh please ! what planet are you on ?, defender of the morals of the children of the world ?, please get down off your high horse and tie it up outside this forum.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Ninja, I wouldn't presume to try to change your mind about negative influences and children. (Especially after seeing the bashing you gave poor JBF for wanting to shelter his family from the negative aspects of Halloween.) After all, you're an aetheist. That says it all. The only way I could possibly convince you would be to take you back in time to a day early in your childhood when you still believed in the good in people and life, still believed in intangibles, the unseen, and had faith in humanity. That day is long, long past for you. But I will say this, what could possibly be wrong with trying to defend children? You labeled me a "Defender of the morals of children." Fair enough, I'll wear the title proudly. I saw a five-year old in the movie store the other day renting "Hostel." How can that possibly be good for kids that age? Well, to answer your question, yes, I am a father and grandfather and my children and grandchildren will have a normal childhood free from blood spurting massacres, pornography, and hatred. They will grow up caring, loving adults without scarred personas and twisted values polluted by violence and pornographic sex before they were ready. When they are of age, there's enough of that waiting for them in the real world, but by then, they will be ready to process it effectively. Something adults can do, but children can't. BTW...I have hundreds upon hundreds of classroom hours, I have spent more time with most people's children than they do, since they have to work. I have dozens of hours in psychology, and specialized training in child behavior and motivation. I have spent fifteen years, including nine years of nightschool and summerschool with kids. Trust me...I know more about child psychology than you do. As for casting aspersions on my teaching ability, that was petty. It makes me wonder why a simple thread to inform parents of excessively violent videogames brought forth such a vitriolic reaction from you. There seems to be more here than you are saying. If it will set your mind at ease, though, here are my credentials: Awards: 95-96 Intel "Most Innovative Teacher" Award 96-97 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 97-98 "Disney Teacher of the Year" Nominee (Top Ten in the Country) 97-98 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 98-99 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 98-99 "Red Apple Teacher Award" American Foundation for Excellence in Education 99-00 "Millennium Teacher" Who's Who in American Teachers 00-01 Golden Apple Teacher of New Mexico Nominee(Top Five in the State) 02-03 Community Education Coordinator 03-04 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 04-05 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 05-06 "Red Apple Teacher Award" American Foundation for Excellence in Education 05-06 "Who's Who in American Teachers" Award 05-06 "Red Apple Teacher Award" American Foundation for Excellence in Education 06 07 "Red Apple Teacher Award" American Foundation for Excellence in Education 06-07 “Who’s Who in American Teachers” Award.
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Erinna1112 wrote:It is not the retail clerk's job to have any input whatsoever into how I raise my child. Yet is is the retail clerk's job to avoid sales of alcohol, cigarettes, and pornography to minors. Videogames, like those other things, have restrictions. And for the very same reasons.
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I've seen these same opinions before and I've learned well what it means. The debate is over. I cannot convice people that condone violent media that it's bad for children. And you'll certainly not convince me that it's good for them. Besides, this thread was only a recommendation thread, nothing more. Everyone is free to make their own decisions concerning what they feel is good for their children, which games to buy, which movies to see. So I'll bow out gracefully here. Besides, I have a class to teach! Tonight we are reading, "The Gift of the Magi!" A wonderful short story about how the most precious gifts aren't necessarily material possessions at all! 
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member Witty clever title pending
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Saint wrote: Erinna1112 wrote: Really? Show me the sign in the videogame store that says "you have to be born before (fill-in-the-year-here) to buy this." You can't, because there isn't one. And, much more to the point, if *I* am buying the game (I'm well over the age limit for any purchase you would care to name), then the ultimate destination of that game is, once again and most emphatically, absolutely no concern of the person who is paid to ring up the sale. And any retail clerk who tries to quiz me about it will find himself out of a job, quick, fast, and in a BIG hurry.
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