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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Currently being filmed this takes place between 5 and 10 years after Terminator 3 - Rise of the Machines (which was far from great in my opinion) and features John Connors continuing battle against the automatons of Skynet. Bad News = the same genius who brought us the Charlies Angel films is directing it -   And this sequel is going to be a family film so little or no violent action on display -  The omens do not bode well.
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24HourNut Administrator  aka Frank
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Family film? Jesus, ruin it some more, why don't they.
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T3 end with SkyNet winning and the nuclear apocalypse beginning? How in the hell do you have a sequel from that?!
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Brian wrote: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T3 end with SkyNet winning and the nuclear apocalypse beginning? How in the hell do you have a sequel from that?! Skynet doesn't win in Terminator 3, it becomes sentient and launches all its available nuclear warheads, this however doesn't eradicate its enemy mankind as John Connor and Kate Brewster coordinate the resistance efforts from the nuclear bunker they find themselves in at the end of the film. Terminator 3 is more a film detailing how John Connor becomes the leader of the resistance not a film about any perceived victory by Skynet. The T-101 sent back to protect John from the female T-X knows it cannot avert Skynet becoming sentient and the resulting nuclear launch, it has been sent back to ensure John gets to that nuclear bunker to fulfill his destiny of becoming the leader and organiser of the resistance. Terminator 4 will in essence be set in the future we have only seen so far in flashbacks (or should that be flash forwards !) in the other three films. It details the early days of the human resistance against the terminators, hunter killers etc that Skynet uses to try and wipe the remaining humans.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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24HourNut wrote: Family film? Jesus, ruin it some more, why don't they. Tell me about it. I can only imagine how lame its going to be regardless of how over the top the action and CGI are. What should have been a harrowing dystopia of an apocalyptic future sounds like its going to be turned in a virtual theme park ride for all the family.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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cynicalninja wrote: Brian wrote:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T3 end with SkyNet winning and the nuclear apocalypse beginning? How in the hell do you have a sequel from that?! But wasn't the whole point of the first two movies to try and stop SkyNet? I thought the whole reason to send a protector back was to warn them of what the future would hold. After all, the future that the Terminators come back from already has John as the leader.  The first two movies seem kind of pointless if the point wasn't to eliminate SkyNet.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Brian wrote: cynicalninja wrote:Brian wrote:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T3 end with SkyNet winning and the nuclear apocalypse beginning? How in the hell do you have a sequel from that?! As with any time travel story (especially a story with multiple parts) the narrative changes as does the historical significance of certain events. In the first terminator film the T-101 is sent back to kill John Connors mother so she doesn't give birth to him and he becomes leader of the resistance. In the second film the T-1000 is sent back in time to kill the infant John himself again to stop him becoming the leader of the resistance. In both these films the "protectors" role is to protect the legacy of John Connor as the leader, the messiah if you will, of the human resistance in the future, they never actual state trying to change the future itself is a realistic aim because there are far too many variables. There is a sense of inevitibility about the nuclear apocalypse and Skynet becoming sentient underpinning all 3 films. John Connor is the key to all the films and the narrative as a whole, his survival and fulfilling his role in history as the leader of the resistance is what is most important.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Here is a little article from IMDB explaining why Judgement day is inevitable:- The T-800 tells John that John and Sarah Connor merely postponed it and that Judgement Day was inevitable, and thus Sarah and John were in fact wrong in thinking they could prevent it. This could be confusing, as The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day suggested the theory that "the future is not set", and "there is no fate but what we make for ourself". In this movie, the assumption is introduced that Judgment Day is inevitable, and that parts of our future are set. The reasoning is that it is in people's nature to destroy themselves (also a quote from T2). In T2, John and Sarah Connor destroyed all technology that would lead to the creation of Skynet. However, scientists went on to invent Skynet without the benefit of the future technology that was left behind by the first Terminator. As Miles Dyson said in T2, the broken microchip and android arm gave him ideas, which caused him to invent artificial intelligence, but on an earlier date than originally planned. Without the chip and arm, he or someone else would have invented them anyway, but on a much later date. So the Judgment Day in this movie is a different one than the one we see in T2. It is on July 24th, 2004 instead of August 29th, 1997. This also explains the differences seen in the technology (the Hunter-Killer aircraft are different, Arnold is a T-850 model Terminator instead of a T-800), which are the result of random factors, such as different persons designing them, the longer time of development, etc. The inevitability of Judgment Day makes sense in a way. Remember that John Connor himself is a indirect result of it (the war against the machines prompts the Human Resistance to send Kyle Reese to the past, who becomes John's father). If Judgment Day was prevented for good, Reese would not have been sent, and he would not have existed. John's fate and that of Judgment Day are intricately tied together in that way.
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cynicalninja wrote: Currently being filmed this takes place between 5 and 10 years after Terminator 3 - Rise of the Machines (which was far from great in my opinion) and features John Connors continuing battle against the automatons of Skynet. do WHAT??? family friendly Terminators??? Jaysus!! why don't they just make a Saturday Morning cartoon for it then, Cripes
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