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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Free.man wrote: The Catholic Bible has more then 66 Books, so someone had to have altered the Bible that you use. I am not a Catholic. To suggest alteration is to water down the word of God. This tactic is often used subtly to attempt to discredit the bibles authenticity or suggest that maybe there are more books coming and implying that God has an "open book door policy". It's a common tactic used by the modern day religions that allow them to add more books or claim new additional revelations to the already spoken word.
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: How do you interpret this? If you are asking me, I interpret those Bible verses exactly the way I do this statement from Baha'u'llah: ...man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophet (Baha'u'llah, excerpt from the opening passage of The Kitab-i-Iqan) My interpretation: You are not qualified to dictate to me what Jesus meant, what He wants me to believe. Only Jesus Himself can do that. Baha'u'llah IS qualified because He is spiritually equal to Jesus Christ in every way. God wants me to turn to Baha'u'llah, not to you, for guidance.
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:How do you interpret this? There is none that is spiritually equal to Jesus Christ in any way, form, or fashion, except God himself, and the Holy Spirit. Baha'u'llah is on the same level as Mohammed, and neither are from God. Both fall in the same category as Joseph Smith, Jr. But anyone who wants believe in either, have at it. It's your soul, not mine. Last edited on 01:08 am by muddawber |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Why would a Baha'i agree with ANY of these statements? muddawber wrote: There is none that is spiritually equal to Jesus Christ in any way, form, or fashion, Baha'u'llah...Mohammed...neither are from God. Both fall in the same category as Joseph Smith, Jr.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man wrote:The Catholic Bible has more then 66 Books, so someone had to have altered the Bible that you use. Personally, I don't understand how the Bible was NOT altered, edited, or had stuff omitted.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man wrote:Dear friend,The Catholic Bible has more then 66 Books, so someone had to have altered the Bible that you use. You know as well as I do that the Catholic Bible predates the Bible you use by hundreds of years. Martin Luther was a Catholic. He used the Catholic Bible and accepted it as the true and only Word of God for a very long time. He chose to leave that form of Christianity. As a direct result of ML starting his own belief system there is now a Bible that has fewer Books in it. Somewhere along the way, someone you now follow altered that Bible. You can not get around the fact that you follow the very teachers, Martin Luther and others who were not authorized in the Bible to alter the Bible that you claim is the only unerring Word of God. Moreover, You're the one who is suggesting that everyone other then you are attempting to discredit the Bible. You opend the door yourself and are now unable to put the notion back into the box. You never have addressed the Matt. 24:36/Mk. 13:32 question about "nor the Son". How do you reconcile that someone added or deleted something from the Bible? More importantly, If Jesus is wholly God; how can God(the All-Knowing not know something? This is not to discredit the Bible. The Bible is what it is and it can stand on it's own as far as I am concerned. This is a serious look at your specific theology and nothing more. I understand how you see anything but as a threat. Hoewever, you bring this on yourself when you avoid putting such questions to rest. Any danger is to your own system and no others. Free.man
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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The bible we have today must have meet the Maker's standards. 66 books and 40 authors. It's been this way for some time now.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Free.man Original500© Member
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Deart friend, Muddawber: [There is none that is spiritually equal to Jesus Christ in any way, form, or fashion, except God himself, and the Holy Spirit. Baha'u'llah is on the same level as Mohammed, and neither are from God. Both fall in the same category as Joseph Smith, Jr. But anyone who wants believe in either, have at it. It's your soul, not mine.] Question: If "There is none that is spiritually equal to Jesus Christ in any way, form, or fashion, except God himself, and the Holy Spirit." then why did God wait thousands of years with not one equal; not Adam; not Abraham; not Melchisedec and so on before Jesus was allowed to come into the world? Even the first Adam had neither a father nor a mother and for awhile was totally without sin was never spiritually equal to Jesus? What say you? Free.man
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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berinwitness wrote: Why would a Baha'i agree with ANY of these statements? They wouldn't agree with any of these statemenst because they are blinded by their false God and their counterfeit jesus.
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"When it comes to interpreting Bible prophecy, who decides what those methods are?" Your second grade teacher who taught you how to read words in a sentence and interpret them. You interpret any written material literal unless there is something in the text that would lead you interpret it otherwise. "And as far as *I* can tell there are other possibilities." Of course there are other possibilities but standard methods of interpretation, the ones you were taught by your second grade teacher, would dictate that you interpret words literal based on their comment usage unless something in the context dictates otherwise. "So how can I be certain that God agrees with YOU?" If God is interest in communicating then He would use a method of communication that would be the easiest to understand by the most people. In the vast majority of cases the issue isn't interpreting the text via standard methods of interpretation but the reluctance to accept that interpretation and then going through linguistic (sp) gymnastics to make it mean what we would prefer it mean. "Not to me, or I wouldn't be asking any questions." Then your problem is with Him not me. "Apparently you are unaware that I am a member of the Baha'i religion. I believe the Trumpet sounded May 22-23, 1844. IMO Christ has come and gone again, leaving us a wealth of guidance until His next visit." The fact that you are of the Baha'i religion doesn't change what the Bible says or affect how these passages should be interpreted accord to those standard methods of interpretation referenced above. You can believe the trumpet has sounded but Jesus said when the trumpet does sound it will have dramatic, eternal, global consequences. It won't be a secret revealed to a few.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The bible we have today must have meet the Maker's standards. 66 books and 40 authors. It's been this way for some time now.Dear friend, The Catholic Bible we have today has been around a lot longer and must meet the Maker's standards with more then 66 Books and more then 40 authors. So what is your point? Feeling threatened again? The Old Testament must meet the Maker's standards also. It has a different number of Books and authors. If I recall The Book was sealed up about half way through but that didn't stop more Books from being added later, now did it? All of the New Testament came around after the Books were sealed up. Did Jesus unseal the previous Books of the Bible? Were the Books then re-sealed up after Jesus left this world. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus unsealed the Books. The Bible does not say the Books were re-sealed. If Jesus did not seal/unseal the books then did someone else do it? Revelation says seals are broken but according to you that has not happened yet. Phreaking? (you know the word Phreaking? - interesting word, I must say) Bummer!  PARADE Free.man
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Free.man wrote: Deart friend, Why did God wait? Ask Him. I don't have an answer except that God does things in his time, not mine or yours. Adam? Key words there are for awhile. But, sin came into the world through him. Therefore, he was not and is not equal to Jesus the Christ. As for the others you mention, they were not without sin, so, they are not equals to Jesus the Christ, who was without sin.
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pmh1nic wrote: "When it comes to interpreting Bible prophecy, who decides what those methods are?"Dear friend, Sorry; your analogy does not hold. Small children interpret the world around them long before a teacher has an opportunity to do so. Parents and teachers do have a lot to do with how one eventually sees the world, however, if there is no parent nor a teacher each child will grow up to interpret the world around them anyway. Helen Keller interpreted the world before anyone came along to work with her. The Bible is there for each of use to interpret for ourselves. We no longer need someone else to do it for us. It is your choice if you want to follow someone else's interpretation just as it is mine. If you believe that to be the Holy Spirit and I believe it is the Holy Spirit with me then neither can prove nor disprove the other's assertion. The Bible says the Book is sealed. Either the Bible is sealed or it is not sealed. If you believe the Bible is sealed then my interpretation is as good as your's. If the Book has been unsealed then my interpretation is still as good as yours. Free.man
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muddawber wrote: Free.man wrote:Dear friend,Deart friend, I did ask God. That's why I am a Baha'i. The Creator never leaves His creation without guidance. Never! That is why Jesus is not the only one. A thousand years from now and longer there may still be Christians looking for Jesus' return without accepting the event has already taken place several times already. I have no doubt that there will be 100,000+ Christian denominations by then; each vying for their own particular brand to prevail avent Jesus' return. Free.man
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Free.man, The purely literal statements made by Jesus and the other writers in the bible must be left alone. It is when groups take literal and try twist them to say they are spiritual or allegoric is what God warns about regarding taking away or adding to the bible. There are so many examples with the Bahai faith of this abuse that I wouldn't even know where to start.
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