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pmh1nic wrote: "When it comes to interpreting Bible prophecy, who decides what those methods are?" Not if the book starts off as an obvious embellishment or work of symbolism. The text (talking snake, etc.) leads me to interpret it as a figurative work, not literal.
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Free.man wrote: muddawber wrote:Free.man wrote:Dear friend,Deart friend, If you did ask God, then you either didn't listen to Him, or didn't like His answer. That's why you are Baha'i. The Creator didn't leave His creation without guidance. He gave the Holy Spirit to guide us. Jesus has not returned. If He had, the world wouldn't be in the shape it's in, because he would now be ruling instead of humans. The event, as you call it has not happened at all scince Jesus was taken up into the clouds.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man, Dear friend, Oh, sure you do. Give it a try. Hey, Frank i. e.  ; he likes it!13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. (King James Bible, Matthew) I find this interesting: THE SERMONS OF MARTIN LUTHER, VOL. III, PAGE 373 OF THE OFFICE OF PREACHING & OF PREACHERS AND HEARERS: JOHN 10: 1-11: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. SECTION I. TRUE PREACHERS OF THE WORD MUST BE REGULARLY CALLED. 1. This Gospel treats of the office of the ministry, how it is constituted, what it accomplishes and how it is misused. It is indeed very necessary to know these things, for the office of preaching is second to none in Christendom. St. Paul highly esteemed this office for the reason that through it the Word of God was proclaimed which is effective to the salvation of all who believe it. He says to the Romans (1:16): "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth." We must now consider this theme, since our Gospel lesson presents and includes it. It will, however, be a stench in the nostrils of the pope! THE SERMONS OF MARTIN LUTHER, VOL. III, PAGE 374 But how shall I deal differently with him? The text says: "He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber (murderer)." 2. This verse has been explained as having reference to those who climb, by their presumption, into the best church livings through favor and wealth, recommendations or their own power, not obtaining them by regular appointment and authority. And at present the most pious jurists are punishing people for running to Rome after fees and benefices, or after ecclesiastical preferment and offices. This they call simony. The practice is truly deplorable, for much depends upon being regularly called and appointed. No one should step into the office and preach from his own presumption and without a commission from those having the authority. But under present conditions, if we should wait until we received a commission to preach and to administer the sacraments, we would never perform those offices as long as we live. For the bishops in our day press into their offices by force, and those who have the power of preferment are influenced by friendship and rank. But I pass this by, and will speak of the true office, into which no one forces his way (even though his devotion urge him) without being called by others having the authority. 3. True, we all have authority to preach, yea, we must preach God's name; we are commanded to do so. (Sermons of Martin Luther, Of The Office of Preaching) "We all have authority to preach, . . ." ? ". . . without being called by others having authority." ? "into which no one forces his way"? Seems Martin Luther took the good(s) news for himself. Why pay another a simony charged when one can collect it for himself, maybe? Martin Luther didn't leave it alone. ". . . who climb, by their own presumption, . . ."? Seems ML did find a better gig. (Acts 8:9-24)? Should I go on? Free  man
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Dear friend, Mud: [ If you did ask God, then you either didn't listen to Him, or didn't like His answer. That's why you are Baha'i. The Creator didn't leave His creation without guidance. He gave the Holy Spirit to guide us. Jesus has not returned. If He had, the world wouldn't be in the shape it's in, because he would now be ruling instead of humans. The event, as you call it has not happened at all scince Jesus was taken up into the clouds.] ______________________________________________________ Oh, I get it. You know every one else's heart and soul better then they do? The Holy Ghost left that part out. ;O) So, the Holy Spirit is telling you all this. So after the first time Jesus came and the Christians gained power and all and killed and mutilated even other Christians because the Holy Spirit told them to do it and, and they loved them? Then, that was only foreplay what's to come? Seriously, How can anyone actually believe you? Your vanity is showing! Free . man
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Free.man, Your getting more bold these days in language and intent to make your points. Yet I still find your foundation (Baha'u'llah and the Bahai organization) lacking biblical support.
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Is this how Baha'u'llah came in the 1800s? Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11 “ I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Daniel 7:13 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 26:63-64 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
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What nerve of these people to not take the cloud thing as literally as the talking snake thing. 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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I didn't hear any fanfare or loud trumpet blasts in the news around 1822 dealing with frightfull signs in the heavens and millions upon millions of people disappearing suddenly. Did I miss reading an issue of the Smithsonian?
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pmh1nic wrote:
But it did have dramatic, eternal and certainly global consequences. In a little over one hundred and sicty years it has grown from a single follower to seven million and the faith has encompassed the globe completely. That timetable beats Christianity in the sprint for sure and a few hundred years from now what will that amount to? Regards, Scott
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1822 was during the industrial revolution with railroads and the birth of the capitalist economy. It might be true that people could not buy or sell on the new mode of transporting goods without having a (Biblical reference here) mark on their head or hand. Makes one think and wonder, at least. But it might not be true and I could be making that up.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I didn't hear any fanfare or loud trumpet blasts in the news around 1822 dealing with frightfull signs in the heavens and millions upon millions of people disappearing suddenly. Did I miss reading an issue of the Smithsonian? The Bab's Declaration was twenty-two years later in 1844. There is plenty record of William Miller's followers ascending Mt. Carmel here in North America waiting for the advent they expectred to see. A decade before Germans went to Mr. Carmel in the Holy Land and lived on the slopes with the words: "The Lord is Near carved over their doorways. Baha'u'llah actually visited Mr. Carmel on their land in 1892. The Templar homes now belong to the Baha'i World Center as does Elijah's Cave. Regards, Scott
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muddawber wrote: Free.man wrote:muddawber wrote:Free.man wrote:Dear friend,Deart friend, Bahai's on the other hand believe that God's Kingdom is here, but it is our sweat and talents that will build it--our being you, me and everyone else on the planet. It arrived with a big tag that says: "Some Assembly Required". Regards, Scott
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This return or appearance was not anything as the Lord said it would be in the bible. Not even close.
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Popeyesays wrote:
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote: And now it is! Regards, Scott
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