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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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"You're right it does not "negate" anything. It helps clarify the subject." Yes it does clarify. It clarifies the fact that Jesus will return for those "looking for Him" as Savior and without sin. "Does "on the surface" mene you believe this specific statement is metaphoric and not literal?" No, on the surface means you have to read the whole verses and interpret it based on all that is said in the verse rather then pull one section of the verse (the part Amy underlined) in trying to make your point. "When Jesus made His clain it was important that nothing was written about the event until many years later." Much was written about the event (His second coming) from the 1st century and onward. "In the early 1800's His elected ((those looking for Him) Christians, Muslims and others) were looking for Him." There have been those "looking for Him" from the time He ascended until today.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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pmh1nic wrote: "You're right it does not "negate" anything. It helps clarify the subject."Dear friend, Idiom: on the surface [French : sur-, above (from Old French; see sur-) + face, face (from Old French; see face).] If you repeat what others tell you to be true, then, please let me know who they are and I'll look into it for myself. If you are giving your own ideas, then fine. Write them down in a manner that eliminates possible misunderstanding. I don't mind checking out the veracity of your claim. Put it out on the table. Free.man
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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"Sorry, you're going to have to better then this. As indicated in the Dictionary "on the surface" says nothing about "in context"." On the surface means having no depth. Amy quoted a verse and focused on one part of the verse. That is looking at the verse in a superficial manner lack depth. "Are you having a difficult time writing what you mean?" Not at all. "You are not clear about how or why you interpret the Bible in the way you do." I was crystal clear about why I interpret the Bible they way I do. "Are you afollower of Martin Luther yourself or, or someone else?" No, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. "Where are you getting your notions from?" I'm gaining my understanding about what the Bible says regarding the 2nd coming from reading the Bible AND interpreting the language the way my 2nd grade teacher taught me to read and interpret written material. "If you repeat what others tell you to be true, then, please let me know who they are and I'll look into it for myself." I've spend a good part of the last 36 years "looking into it myself". "Write them down in a manner that eliminates possible misunderstanding." Unfortunate there is no way to write them down in a manner that eliminates the possibility of misunderstanding, especially misunderstanding on the part of those that refuse to use the standard methods of interpretation they were taught in elementary school.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote: especially misunderstanding on the part of those that refuse to use the standard methods of interpretation they were taught in elementary school. Now that's amusing--- coming from someone who ESPOUSES the 'traditional' methods, which ARE the same methods USED BY THE JEWS to decide that "Jesus did not come at the head of an Army", "Jesus is not the King of the Jews", etc etc etc. That same "traditional" method of interpretation is PRECISELY what DID NOT WORK last time. And Christians CONTINUE to gloss over the sentences in which Christ REPEATEDLY says (paraphrase) "for those who are looking or are aware" They just WANT to believe that it will be EASY -- and that NO SPECIAL AWARENESS will be required on their part to DISCERN the TRUTH from what is not true. They just want to think "All I have to do is exactly what I'm already doing"... in SPITE of warnings from Christ about THAT VERY COMPLACENCY! The SAME attitude shown by the Jews of the 1st century, who could not be convinced that they did not have it ALL worked out as to what was going to happen. Due to their pride in their belief that they understood the OT verses, the Jews missed the boat. Due to their pride in their belief that they also understood the NT verses, the Christians are doing the same thing.
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He came as a thief in the night, and when a thief comes, he does not uses drums and trumpets to announce his presence and awake the household. He gathers the treasures and sneaks them away. This is also a good explanation of the "Rapture". Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: He came as a thief in the night, and when a thief comes, he does not uses drums and trumpets to announce his presence and awake the household. He gathers the treasures and sneaks them away. When did he come???
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:He came as a thief in the night, and when a thief comes, he does not uses drums and trumpets to announce his presence and awake the household. He gathers the treasures and sneaks them away. Two hours after sunset, the evening of May 22nd, 1844 AD (1260 AH). Regards, Scott
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:He came as a thief in the night, and when a thief comes, he does not uses drums and trumpets to announce his presence and awake the household. He gathers the treasures and sneaks them away. Dear friend, 1260 years after the two witnesses told of in Revelation. Free.man
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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Then I shall ask you both, Free.man and popeyesays, if this so called christ of yours has returned, why is the world getting worse everyday. If we go by what you call the second coming, and apply the Bible to it, things should have gotten better by now. The way I see it, is that your Baha'u'llah or the Bible is lying. My vote goes to the Baha'u'llah as the liar.
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muddawber wrote: Then I shall ask you both, Free.man and popeyesays, if this so called christ of yours has returned, why is the world getting worse everyday. If we go by what you call the second coming, and apply the Bible to it, things should have gotten better by now. The way I see it, is that your Baha'u'llah or the Bible is lying. My vote goes to the Baha'u'llah as the liar. Because you are seeing two events simultaneously manifest themselves. The uplifting and unfolding of God's Kingdom, while the old social systems and order crumble around it. WQhen Christ came it was to a social order in ruin--Roman-occupied Palestine. Moses came to the Hebrews in bondage. Muhammed to the Bedouin chaos of idol worship and constant warfare to the hilt. The Bab and Baha`u'llah came to the most corrupt society on the face of the earth at the time. Regards, Scott
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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None of those explanations will hold water.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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muddawber wrote: Then I shall ask you both, Free.man and popeyesays, if this so called christ of yours has returned, why is the world getting worse everyday. If we go by what you call the second coming, and apply the Bible to it, things should have gotten better by now. The way I see it, is that your Baha'u'llah or the Bible is lying. My vote goes to the Baha'u'llah as the liar. Because the world denied Him once again.... He was persecuted, exiled, tortured and imprisoned for 40 years solely because of His message. Had they accepted Him and embraced His message at the time, the world would be at peace now. But the rulers of His day rejected The Most Great Peace...today, we see evidence all around us of His principles being put into practice, yet the world is unaware of the source. But the source is available to all...it's not too late. Baha'u'llah is the Logos...the Word...the Word is rebuilding the World anew. Peace will reign...the Kingdom of God on Earth...some assembly required. ;)
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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Amy wrote: muddawber wrote:Then I shall ask you both, Free.man and popeyesays, if this so called christ of yours has returned, why is the world getting worse everyday. If we go by what you call the second coming, and apply the Bible to it, things should have gotten better by now. The way I see it, is that your Baha'u'llah or the Bible is lying. My vote goes to the Baha'u'llah as the liar. I'm sorry Amy, but this Baha'u'llah is not the Word, the Logos, not then, not now, not ever. Jesus Christ Himself said that there would be those who would claim to be Him, and the Bible says that when He returns everyone would know Him, even those that pierced Him. Nothing that was pedicted in the Bible about the second coming of Jesus has happened. The signs of his coming are going on right now, but it isn't the time of His appearing. When it happens, the world will know it.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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Sirlamre "Now that's amusing---coming from someone who ESPOUSES the 'traditional' methods, which ARE the same methods USED BY THE JEWS to decide that "Jesus did not come at the head of an Army", "Jesus is not the King of the Jews", etc etc etc." There is nothing amusing about it. In large measure interpreting the Bible means incorporating the same standards of interpretation you learned in elementary school. "That same "traditional" method of interpretation is PRECISELY what DID NOT WORK last time." Wrong. The standard method of interpretation is to interpret the words literally unless something in the context would lead you to do otherwise. That is what you learned when you learned to read in elementary school. The "dog ran across the street" literal means the dog ran across the street. The "dog flew across the street" would mean the dog ran quickly across the street because we know dogs can't fly. When it says Jesus turn water into wine we understand given the context it means He literal turned real water into real wine, it was a supernatural event and done as a sign or His power and authority. And it's not a matter of "special awareness" but rather reading the words and intepreting them in context. Last edited on 04:11 am by pmh1nic |
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Amy Original500© Member ...going with the flow...
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35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. 35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God. (King James Bible, Isaiah) This is Mount Carmel today...where Baha'u'llah walked over 100 years ago.  2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (King James Bible, Isaiah) His claim is either entirely true or entirely false...does it not at least deserve an honest investigation?
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