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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Your jumping ahead Scott. I agree that Jesus lays out those things as you said later in chapter 24 but the initial inquiry by the disciples was as presented to Him unless you disagree? Let's stay verse by verse for proper context. Your turn on verse 4 when your ready. Context is a term that does not relate to taking things verse by verse. That is the opposite of 'context'." From Merriam Webster On-Line dictionary: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Main Entry: con·text [url=javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?contex01.wav=context')]  [/url] Pronunciation: \?kän-?tekst\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words, coherence, from contexere to weave together, from com- + texere to weave — more at technical Date: circa 1568 1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning 2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs ----------------------------------------------------- Regards, Scott
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Are you ready to continue or would you like to review the question posed to Jesus in Matthew 24:3 further?
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Are you ready to continue or would you like to review the question posed to Jesus in Matthew 24:3 further? Given a basic difference in understanding of 'context', perhaps you should go ahead where you wish to go? Regards, Scott
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3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. ************************************************* Ok, here in verse 4 Jesus responded to their question first with a stern warning: "Watch out that no one deceives you." Jesus is immediately warning them that there will be people who will try to "deceive" them about His coming.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Yes, He does, why should He not? But it is not a statement that every Prophet is a deceiver, in fact if that were the case why set parameters for when the TRUE Prophet will appear? Regards, Scott
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Please relax Scott. Your showing a defensive posture. Can we agree in verse 4 that Jesus is warning them that there will be those who will try to deceive them about His coming?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Please relax Scott. Your showing a defensive posture. Can we agree in verse 4 that Jesus is warning them that there will be those who will try to deceive them about His coming? Of course, and I can name some obvious candidates for "failed" prophets. Mani is a good example. Regards, Scott
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Ok, moving forward Jesus continues in verse 5 saying... 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. Christ = "anointed" 1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God 2) anointed Fair enough? Ready to move on?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Ok, moving forward Jesus continues in verse 5 saying... Okay, define "Son of God" what do you exactly mean, because Christ does mean "Annointed" and it does not mean "Son of God". "Messiah" is Hebrew and it means "Annointed". It does NOT mean "Son of God". "The Son of God" in Greek transliterates as "ho huios tou theou", not "Cristos". Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Ok, moving forward Jesus continues in verse 5 saying... John 3:16, 1 John 4:9... fair enough?
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Oh, it's fair enough. . . . but the phrase does not appear in these verses of Matthew 24, does it? So let's leave that discussion for another time an place--perhaps a thread on the nuances of Messiah, Christ, Son of Man and Son of God. You want to stick to this a verse at a time, right? So let's not bring in language that is not there in the verse. Regards, Scott
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That's fine. So Jesus is warning that some will come saying they are the Messiah...the Anointed One. Ready to move onto verse 6?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: That's fine. So Jesus is warning that some will come saying they are the Messiah...the Anointed One. "You may fire when ready, Gridley!" ~ George Dewey, Captain commanding the Asiatic Squadron, Battle of Manila Bay, 1898. Gridley was the gunnery officer for the flagship Olympia. Regards, Scott
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6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. This falls under the things that are leading up to His coming. The earlier signs to look for...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Actually, He is saying don't waste your time considering those things. They are always around. Regards, Scott
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