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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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BTW, wikipedia doesn't say the bab was martyred, it says he was shot by a firing squad. And, it in no way echos the crucifiction, except in your mind.
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muddawber wrote: BTW, wikipedia doesn't say the bab was martyred, it says he was shot by a firing squad. And, it in no way echos the crucifiction, except in your mind. He was tried and executed within the same day. He was suspended above the crowd from a spike set in the wall. One faithful follower was martyred at the same time. The first firing squad commander asked to be excused from the duty, the Bab told Him if He truly desired to be relieved of the command that he should just do his duty and God would release him. WHen the first volley of 600+ muskets fired the first bullet to get to where the Bab and His follower cut the rope that suspended them, and they dropped to the ground. Not a single shot struck the Bab and Anis, the young disciple was merely scratched. In the smoke from the volley (it was the age of black powder you know) finally cleared away Anis stood by Himself and the Bab was nowhere to be seen. After a frantic half-hour search He was found in the same chamber where he had been held. Having finished dictating the letter to His secretary He allowed Himself to be led away to be shot a second time. The commander of the regiment which had fired marched away refusing to repeat the deed. A second regiment was brought to the parade grounds and they fired. The bodies were cast into the city moat, and a dust storm swept through the city of Tabriz obscuring vision til the next day when the bodies were mysteriously gone. Followers of the Bab had retrieved the bodies from the moat accompanied by a representative from the Russian Embassy who sketched the face of the Bab which bore no wounds from the musket balls. The body was hidden for decades and finally spirited away to Akka where Abdu'l Baha built the first floor of the Shrine of the Bab and interred the remains in that shrine. All of this is attested to by European witnesses to the events, most of whom were various embassy personnel. The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. The story of the Bab was a sensation in Europe. Sarah Bernhardt even commissioned a play to be written about it. Anyway, this is fit material for a different threadLet's not sidetrack this one. After all JBF started it for a different reason. Regards, Scott
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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Popeyesays wrote: muddawber wrote:BTW, wikipedia doesn't say the bab was martyred, it says he was shot by a firing squad. And, it in no way echos the crucifiction, except in your mind. Nothing in this echos the crucifiction. Last edited on 07-03-2008 05:10 am by muddawber |
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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David Merrick of Edinburgh originally wrote this: "Anyone reading the martyrdoms of both Jesus and the Báb, will notice some very intriguing similarities... The age of the Báb and length of His mission are similar to those of Jesus. Both had farcical trials with predictable conclusions. The Báb is put to death on the eve of Ramadan, exactly as Jesus is martyred on the eve of Sabbath and the Passover, for the same reasons. The Báb being paraded through town on an ass recalls Jesus' entry into Jerusalem. The Báb met His martyrdom at noon, which is the time Jesus was taken away to His death in John. Both are suspended in the air, have one fellow-companion going to Paradise, and the same words are uttered for their going there. The Báb instructs His disciples to deny their faith, much as Jesus' disciples fled and denied Him in order for His faith to continue. Both the Báb and Jesus demonstrate a power over martyrdom that shows it was a voluntary death. The disappearance of the Báb before the people, is similar to Jesus' disappearance from the tomb. A long darkness (and other natural wonders) follows the deaths of both the Báb and Jesus. Guards are posted over both the Báb's and Jesus' bodies so that their bodies are not taken, but both fail in their jobs. The bodies of both the Báb and Jesus are both found disappeared on the third day. In both cases a report is spread abroad to cover the disappearance. " Regards, Scott By the way I'm going to move these two posts to a seperate thread, simply because the anniversary of the Martyrdom of the Bab is on July 9th. Last edited on 07-03-2008 05:27 am by Popeyesays |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Seeing through the lies...
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The Bab and his death is a whole new topic that will eventually end up in a reconstructed allegory like everything else. So back to verse 12 Scott...were you satified with my generalized evaluation?
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Verse 12 This is true, but there is another aspect of it as well--confusion about what is and is not the law of God. Religions are dynamic and living things, as such they pass through stages of development which are like the seasons of the year. There is the spiritual springtime when everything is vital and exuberent, there is the summer of maturity and growth toward fruition. There is the autumn of harvest of all the good things. Finally there is a winter of senescence and a growing need for renewal. In Palestine at the time of Christ there was a huuuuuge need for renewal which the advent of Christ provided. That is when the confusion leads to desperation and the pundits of the Mosaic age feared what they knew must come, and endeavored not to lose what they had gained. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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The Law of God as written already in the Mosaic Law and which now is written on our hearts. Your generality of verse 12 is fair. Ready to proceed?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The Law of God as written already in the Mosaic Law and which now is written on our hearts. Yes. "Lay on Macduff, and cursed be he who first cries, 'Hold! Enough.'" ~ Regards, Scottacbeth
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Matthew 24:13 Jesus said, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Similar use: Jesus said also to the Jews, " And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Matthew 24 is a time frame of coming tribulation and the 2nd coming specific for the Jewish people and Israel to know and watch for. see Matthew 10:18 and forward. The greek word usage here for "endure" is... 2) to remain i.e. abide, not recede or flee a) to preserve: under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ b) to endure, bear bravely and calmly: ill treatments
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Matthew 24:13 It's also one of the essential lessons of the Revelation of St. John, the Divine as well. I agree, let's hit 14. Regards, Scott Last edited on 07-04-2008 01:45 pm by Popeyesays |
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And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 It is interesting Scott to note the greek meaning of gospel meaning: "to bring good news, to announce glad tidings". The good news or gospel of Jesus as the Christ will be spoken from one end of the planet to the other and then the end on earth as we know it will come. Jesus uses the word "end" which it's Greek meaning is... "The limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)" "the last in any succession or series" "that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue"
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Et voila! We are still in agreement. It does not mean that everyone will have accepted what has been annokunced, merely that it has been announced so everyone might hear IF they open their ears to the experience. Regards, Scott
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Ok Scott, now the road may start getting a little rough from here on. Jesus said, “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand)..." Matthew 24:14 Like you said earlier, we must work in the book of Daniel to understand what Jesus is saying to the Jews here regarding these coming events. Daniel's prophesy tell us that "Messiah will be cut off" after 69 weeks. This occured when Jesus was crucified. Then we see the next prophesy fullfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed by the order of Nero in AD 70. So in it's fullfillment the city and sanctuary as spoken was destroyed. But, according to the angel who spoke to Daniel, there was still one more week or (7 yr.) period still for Israel and the Jewish people to fullfill and complete the prophesy and vision. The Prince as spoken of as a person (he) will confirm a covevent or agreement with Israel for that last week or 7 yr. period. He is called the prince or antichrist here and is refered as the "obomination of desalation" as spoken by Jesus here.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Ok Scott, now the road may start getting a little rough from here on. Here's where we part ways. You're inventing another "Abomination of Desolation" out of whole cloth. Daniel described it, the book was "sealed until the end days". Jesus unsealed it and human awarenesws of the timetable blossomed when the end of days actually arrived. John explains very clearly the antichrist was in the world when he wrote his epistles. I would maintain that the antichrist has been with us for more than 2,000 years, so you can't make a shibboleth of him now. Regards, Scott
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John explained the "spirit of antichrist" in the world. The spirit of unbelief as Paul say's that works among the children of disobedience. The Apostle Paul, Jesus and Daniel speak of a "person" Scott. Therefore, it is impossible to spiritual this one. You either have to leave this one alone for what it say's or we have a gridlock that needs to be dealt with?
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