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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Jesus said, "See, I have told you beforehand." Matthew 24:25 Here Jesus is telling His followers that He has now officially "Warned" them about imposters in the last days. He has told them five times in this one chapter about false christs and false prophets coming prior to His return! Jesus in the next verse will give us the second "do not believe it" example of a false christ. The first example was in verse 23: "Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There" do not believe it." Jesus plainly said that: ANY PERSON ON EARTH HAVING PEOPLE POINT TO HIM AS BEING JESUS IS NOT JESUS!
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Jesus said, "See, I have told you beforehand." That was always my understanding. That I would not have to go study for years and become convinced, or accept on faith and what others wrote or said, in order to know Jesus' Second Coming is upon us. That is why I reject that Jesus came back 150 years ago, as the Bahai claim. It was an event smaller than the invention of caramel coated popcorn. OK, sorry - carry on. 
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Jesus said, "See, I have told you beforehand." And Muhammed the Bab and Baha`u'llah deny being Jesus in the flesh so . . . . . . . . . no problem. Next? Regards, Scott
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Actually your spinning again Scott. Baha'u'llah claimed he is "the Promised One". He claimed to be "The Glory Of the Father" the return of Christ. He claimed to be the "Supreme Manifestation of God". The Bahai's are following a false prophet and false christ >exactly as Jesus has warned! You can't twist and play with words now Scott. Baha'u'llah is trapped in His own claims of himself.
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And Muhammed the Bab and Baha`u'llah deny being Jesus in the flesh so . . . . . . . . . no problem. Right, but the Bahai Claim The Bible's Second Coming of Jesus was fulfilled by Baha`u'llah due to the stuff he and others wrote or claimed.
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24HourNut wrote: And Muhammed the Bab and Baha`u'llah deny being Jesus in the flesh so . . . . . . . . . no problem. The actual point is that Jesus speaks of a Return using the word as a metaphor for the advent of a NEW Manifestation in succession. Jesus will not return in "the flesh" but in the spirit. Therefore there is no single second coming, in fact in full compliance with the metaphoric meaning of the "second coming" Muhammed fills the criteria, The Bab fills the criteria, Baha`u'llah fills the criteria. In due course there will be yet another Manifestation Who will fill the criteria. Just as Jesus filled the criteria of The Messiah, even though the priests of Judaism denied that was the case. When paradigms change expect confusion. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:And Muhammed the Bab and Baha`u'llah deny being Jesus in the flesh so . . . . . . . . . no problem. That's not how the Bible or Christian faith depict it. Which is fine, but do know the Bahai faith is not mutually compatible with it. The Bible indicates a global and dramatic event of Jesus coming back, with false Jesus impostors making the claim. I don't see evidence for Jesus' Second Coming being a metaphor for some new manifestation succession. That sounds like a Bahai invention. What I see evidence for is Jesus actually coming back, with no one needing explanation or pointing here or there to say how it happened already but you just missed it. BS.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Actually your spinning again Scott. Baha`u'llah claims to be the Promised One of all Ages, actually fulfilling the expectations of Judaism Messiah), Zoroastrianism The Shah Bahram) Buddha (Maitreya Buddha), Hinduism (Kalki Avatar), Islam (Mahdi) http://info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-3.html "In the strongest terms, he warned people not to take the variations in the teachings and personalities of the Manifestations to imply a difference in their statures: Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine unity.... Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God ... are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.5However, the Bahá'í doctrine of the oneness of the Manifestations does not mean that the same individual soul is born again in different physical bodies. Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, and Bahá'u'lláh were all different personalities, separate individual realities. Their oneness lies in the fact that Each manifested and revealed the qualities and attributes of God to the same degree: the spirit of God which dwelled within any one of Them was identical to that which dwelled in the others. " Regards, Scott
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Then if Jesus only returns in the spirit you have to deny he came in the flesh which makes the Bahai of the spirit of antichrist. The bible say's when He left physically He will return the same way. They will "see" Him coming just as they "saw" Him go up into the clouds. I feel sad for the rampant deception within the Bahai beliefs...
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I love this part. This is the part where Jesus gets downgraded and is basically just like the other manifestations.
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Popeyesays wrote: Thomas seeing the risen Christ in John 20:28 is really only seeing the "believers willing to suffer for Christ," (Preparing for a Baha'i/Christian Dialogue: Understanding Christian Beliefs, p.142). Abdu'l Baha says the resurrection, ".is a spiritual and divine fact, and not material." (Some Answered Questions, p.104). The "raising of the body of Christ" was actually the coming to life of Christ's teachings in the disciples, the restoration of their beliefs and conviction. This is a critical Baha'i concept, as a physical resurrection would elevate Jesus above the other Manifestations by virtue of his victory over death. " JBF wrote: This is insanity at best.
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24HourNut wrote:
And their depiction is incorrect, a matter of fallible opinion,used by some to drive a wedge between the Unity of Religion. Surely, if my understanding can be incorrect as you propose, then their understanding is equally suspect, is it not? Speaking as someone who does not believe that God manifests Himself to man and brings a revelation in the form of a written book? Frank, if you can disbelieve both religions, what do you care how they portray themselves to one another? And since your opinion is also fallible, then why should we care if you hold to a failed doctrine. Regards, Scott
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Scott, You need to get out of that! Run as fast as you can to the nearest exit!
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And their depiction is incorrect, a matter of fallible opinion,used by some to drive a wedge between the Unity of Religion. But their depiction isn't incorrect just because you or your faith claims otherwise. That is the inherent confusion and conflict-fueling due to the nature of text-based baloney. Surely, if my understanding can be incorrect as you propose, then their understanding is equally suspect, is it not? Yes, people who believe that God picked certain text to rep and they are the lucky ones that picked right, are just as likely to be incorrect as you. Frank, if you can disbelieve both religions, what do you care how they portray themselves to one another? I think it is important to point out delusion instead of enabling it, generally speaking. The world will be a better place when people stop buying the text of other people as God's word. AND, it's fun to watch the predictable and inherent flaws of ridiculous text and test-based God systems. And since your opinion is also fallible, then why should we care if you hold to a failed doctrine. You should only care about what you want to care about, as do I. Of course I am fallible, but I don't make ridiculous claims to know God or God's details based upon what other people say, feel, did, or wrote. That's an archaic mentality.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott, 
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