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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > How Will The Christ Return A Second Time? |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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foxglovepress wrote: muddawber wrote:The world is going to have to suppress and get rid of a lot of organized religion baloney to make the world at peace. So the more people that question this nonsense, the better. The more modern and enlightened we get, the more we erase the residue of such systems. Mom, I'm afraid you will be going for second's on the popcorn.  The Bahai faith seems to ignore what Jesus said about His coming and inserts words into His mouth. Maybe you want some butter on the next batch? 
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Each century, it gets more and more ridiculous to justify and sugarcoat those archaic messes. You know that, right? You do realize that no text-based "believe because of what others did, wrote, and said" type systems are never going to unite because of the inherent nature of them/organized religion, right? You are never going to sway Christians in large percentages, for example, to buy that Jesus already came 150 years ago. The Bahais will fail, in my view, just because the modern world is sick of these text-based religions ... and the Bahais treat the old ones as divine. That's the deal killer in order to be progressive. Too many modern people are adopting a common sense view that God did not write books or issue guidelines to kill non-believers, etc. the list goes on.   And if you are right time and only time will provge you right. free.man pointed out that religions to have their senescence, their decline, their slow ades. Is that the case for the Baha`i Faith in the end? Yeah, but it will be a senescence, a slow fade, a decline. The revelation of God and, indeed the will of God will prove themselves, it isn't within the capacity of man to deny the will of God in the end. However the topic of this thread is a slow presentation of Matthew 24. So all this huffery and puffery is off-topic currently. Isn't it? Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: foxglovepress wrote:muddawber wrote:The world is going to have to suppress and get rid of a lot of organized religion baloney to make the world at peace. So the more people that question this nonsense, the better. The more modern and enlightened we get, the more we erase the residue of such systems. Why don't you go on with the text in question., too much butter is not good for folks. Regards, Scott
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:foxglovepress wrote:muddawber wrote:The world is going to have to suppress and get rid of a lot of organized religion baloney to make the world at peace. So the more people that question this nonsense, the better. The more modern and enlightened we get, the more we erase the residue of such systems. I'd like to ask you this about the text in question; 8) Free  man9) Oh, I almost forgot to add: Baha'is are not the Baha'i Faith. Individual Bahais do not have the authority to represent the Baha'i Faith unless specifically authorized by the Baha'i Faith's Universal House of Justice, a recognized legal entity. That's pretty harsh! It sort of tells me they want to make sure something is staying in place, and or, that they have complete control of what exactly does get out. Are there any women involved with this high honor??
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Free.man Original500© Member
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Dear friend, You write: [I'd like to ask you this about the text in question; 8) Free man9) Oh, I almost forgot to add: Baha'is are not the Baha'i Faith. Individual Bahais do not have the authority to represent the Baha'i Faith unless specifically authorized by the Baha'i Faith's Universal House of Justice, a recognized legal entity. That's pretty harsh! It sort of tells me they want to make sure something is staying in place, and or, that they have complete control of what exactly does get out. Are there any women involved with this high honor??] 8)is a self evident embedded message "cloud 9" and all. (9 is an important numerical value according to the Abjad) 9)does say that no individual Baha'is (man or woman)can claim authority over the Baha'i Faith and interpret it's Scriptures. The Baha'i UHJ is a recognized legal entity. I am a recognized legal entity. I am not the same legal entity as the UHJ is. Free.man
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Free.man wrote: Dear friend, Free.man I don't feel like you answered my question at all! I don't care about the 9 and what it means. You've already told us no individual Baha'is can claim authority over the Faith. I want to know why? Why are you so concerned about everyone understanding only one faith, the way you want it understood? Why are you guys so controling?? I want to know just exactly what this legal entity is, and why you even have one??
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Also note that the Bahai faith suffers the same basic downsides being text-based and based upon what strangers did, wrote, or wrote that someone did or said. Here's a simple little song we learned in Sunday School as a child. Try it, you might like it. The B-I-B-L-E Oh! The B-I-B-L-E, Yes that's the book for me. I stand alone on the word of God, the B-I-B-L-E! The B-I-B-L-E I'll take it along with me, I'll read and pray, and then obey, the B-I-B-L-E. By F-A-I-T-H, I'm S-A-V-E-D, I'll stand alone on the word of God, The B-I-B-L-E. The B-L-O-O-D That Jesus shed for me Cleansed me from sin, I belong to him, The B-L-O-O-D
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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FGP, The Universal House of Justice and subsidiary Houses at national and local levels are ordained by Baha`u'llah in The Kitab`i Iqan. It was not created to interpret the writings, but was created to legislate in instances where the writings are unclear. The right to interpret authoritatively was specifically passed to Abdu'l Baha as the Center of the Covenant. A:so given to Abdu'l Baha was the right to replace himself when he passed on. He did that by estab lishing the Guardianship and placing Shoghi Effendi in that position in 1921 when Abdu'l Baha passed on. The Guardianship was to have been passed on by the Guardian (descended both from Baha`u'llah and collaterally from the Bab's uncles [the Bab had no surviving son or daughter either]. When Shoghi Efendi passed on he made no appointment, and there were no further descendants within the faith. The Hands of the Cause of 3od (20+ and appointed by Shoghi Efendi during his life) assumed the day to day administration from 1957 when SHoghi Efendi passed away, until 1963 when Shoghi Effendi had planned to elect the first Universal House of Justice. The Hands decreed that until the House should rule on the matter no Hand of the Cause could be elected to the House. THe immediate issues placed beore the newly elected House of Justice was to rule on whether it was possible to continue the Guardeianship. It was decided that in the absence of an appointment by Shoghi Efendi and without a descendant within the faith it was impossible to do. It should be obvious that this was not an interpretation of the writings, but rather a piece of legislation to cover an absence of guidance in the writings. The second issue was whether the Hands of the Cause could serve on future Houses, it was ruled that their appointment as Hands removed them from the elective institutions of the faith. The third issue was whether women could be elected to the Universal House of Justice considering the language of the Kitab'i Aqdas which specifies nine men on the Universal House. The House ruled that since the language of the Aqdas was so clear, they could not legislate in the matter. It should be noted that Baha`u'llah's language concerning the supreme institution the Universal House of Justice he specifies men, while in the other Houses of Justice, He specifies "believers" which includes women. So, to this day while women are elected members of Local SPiritual Assemblies (Local Houses of Justice), and are elected to National SPiritual Assemblies (National Houses of Justice) this is not the case with the Universal House of Justice. National Spiritual Assemblies elect the House of Justice in conclave in APril every five years.There have eloections since 1963 and the last was in 2008. Oh, and yes, about half of the Hands of the Cause were women. No more Hands have been appointed since that was a function of the Guardianship which ended in 1957. None are left today. Regards, Scott Last edited on 09:25 pm by Popeyesays |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Baha'u'llah set up the Baha'i Administrative order. How Baha'is attempt to impliment this is a work in progress that we often suffer through. However, as I indicated before, I try to take it all as it comes to me. Just the way it is. Regardless, it will suffer, and is suffering, from the same inherent problems as the others, being text-based and based upon what strangers wrote, said, did, or claimed to have seen or did. Bah. I go with it because I don't have a better plan. This works for me. Due to the inherently private nature of God, not having a plan yourself only makes going with someone else's plan seem silly. In other words, it's not better to just pick a religion that feels right because you are not comfortable with something totally between you and God only. The world would be a better place if everyone just learned to keep their religion private, not have organizations about it, and not try to inform or convert others.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Baha'u'llah set up the Baha'i Administrative order. How Baha'is attempt to impliment this is a work in progress that we often suffer through. However, as I indicated before, I try to take it all as it comes to me. Just the way it is. Ah, a last word contest . . . . 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Here is our next verse in Matthew 24 in sequence: Jesus said, "Therefore if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or "Look, He is in the inner rooms!" do not believe it." Matthew 24:26 Jesus has completed His exhaustive warnings about the false christ's. Now, everyone might want to sit down before the next verse because here Jesus is going to drop a heavy bomb on those who think He has already returned the second time. Better take an aspirin and a long nap before we continue...
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Baha'u'llah set up the Baha'i Administrative order. How Baha'is attempt to impliment this is a work in progress that we often suffer through. However, as I indicated before, I try to take it all as it comes to me. Just the way it is. Last word? Was everyone supposed to just ignore this "I went with plan X because I had no plan" thing? Or was I supposed to ignore the lame "Administrative Order" response to the historical and widely known inherent problems with organized text-based religion?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Popeyesays wrote: FGP, I'm feeling then like this is a lot like the Mormons, the Catholic, etc, etc. Controlling more or less. I appreciate you sharing this information with us popeye. I personally think any faith or religion that controls what I can hear or read about that faith, isn't what God really wants. What I come to realize about all this, for me anyway, is the fact that I don't trust a faith with so many people involved in it's writings. People, are not God! People are His creations.........God will speak to us, in His words, and when He's ready.............. 
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote:FGP, The House of Justice does not produce "Writings", it's forbidden to do so. It's empowered to research an issue and see if it is covered within the Writings of the Bab, Baha`u'llah, or Abd'ul Baha and SHoghi Effendi. Abd'ul Baha and Shoghi Effendi were interpreters of the Writings, and as such what they say is guidance, not direct revelation. So I do not understand your position in this particularly. Might I ask you to try again? I'd like to answer your question but answering questions is sometimes a difficult proposition. Regards, Scott
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