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So I do not understand your position in this particularly. Might I ask you to try again? I'd like to answer your question but answering questions is sometimes a difficult proposition.


I think what Fox is saying, is that the Bahai' faith has to live by what the higher ups decree, much like the Catholics and the Mormons, and that's what it seems to me, also.

In most protestant denominations, the Bible is the ultimate authority. I had a Baptist preacher tell me once, that no matter what he said in the pulpit or in Sunday School, to not believe every word he said, to always let the Bible be the final word. He encouraged a deep study of the Greek and Hebrew text as best we could, and see where the writer was coming from, and then decide for ourselves, if what he was saying lined up with the Bible. We, or I don't have to listen to higher ups, other than the Holy Spirit of God, to tell me what the Bible means.


Actually, there is no one living who can tell me how to interpret anything.

Regards,

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So I do not understand your position in this particularly. Might I ask you to try again? I'd like to answer your question but answering questions is sometimes a difficult proposition.


I think what Fox is saying, is that the Bahai' faith has to live by what the higher ups decree, much like the Catholics and the Mormons, and that's what it seems to me, also.

In most protestant denominations, the Bible is the ultimate authority. I had a Baptist preacher tell me once, that no matter what he said in the pulpit or in Sunday School, to not believe every word he said, to always let the Bible be the final word. He encouraged a deep study of the Greek and Hebrew text as best we could, and see where the writer was coming from, and then decide for ourselves, if what he was saying lined up with the Bible. We, or I don't have to listen to higher ups, other than the Holy Spirit of God, to tell me what the Bible means.


Actually, there is no one living who can tell me how to interpret anything.

Regards,

Scott

Then how, pray tell, do you know what is right? If you have no one to interpret, how do you know you are following the right path? What is your guidelines? What guides you through your understanding?
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Let's stay on topic about Jesus and His coming...

Here is our next verse in Matthew 24 in sequence:

Jesus said, "Therefore if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or "Look, He is in the inner rooms!" do not believe it."

Matthew 24:26

Jesus has completed His exhaustive warnings about the false christ's. Now, everyone might want to sit down before the next verse because here Jesus is going to drop a heavy bomb on those who think He has already returned the second time.
Better take an aspirin and a long nap before we continue...




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Matthew 24:4
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Those questions about the Bahai faith can be asked on several other existing topics...




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Matthew 24:4
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote: muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:
So I do not understand your position in this particularly. Might I ask you to try again? I'd like to answer your question but answering questions is sometimes a difficult proposition.


I think what Fox is saying, is that the Bahai' faith has to live by what the higher ups decree, much like the Catholics and the Mormons, and that's what it seems to me, also.

In most protestant denominations, the Bible is the ultimate authority. I had a Baptist preacher tell me once, that no matter what he said in the pulpit or in Sunday School, to not believe every word he said, to always let the Bible be the final word. He encouraged a deep study of the Greek and Hebrew text as best we could, and see where the writer was coming from, and then decide for ourselves, if what he was saying lined up with the Bible. We, or I don't have to listen to higher ups, other than the Holy Spirit of God, to tell me what the Bible means.


Actually, there is no one living who can tell me how to interpret anything.

Regards,

Scott

Then how, pray tell, do you know what is right? If you have no one to interpret, how do you know you are following the right path? What is your guidelines? What guides you through your understanding?

Prayer, Meditation, Consultation, The Holy Spirit.

 

How do you do it?

Regards,

Scott
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Let's stay on topic about Jesus and His coming...

Here is our next verse in Matthew 24 in sequence:

Jesus said, "Therefore if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or "Look, He is in the inner rooms!" do not believe it."

Matthew 24:26

Jesus has completed His exhaustive warnings about the false christ's. Now, everyone might want to sit down before the next verse because here Jesus is going to drop a heavy bomb on those who think He has already returned the second time.
Better take an aspirin and a long nap before we continue...

JBF,

 

You keep acting like I have never considered this passage before.

 

Keep on going, I won't fall behind.

 

Regards,

Scott
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Those questions about the Bahai faith can be asked on several other existing topics...

Neither you nor I can move the questions, so I have to deal with it here.

Please understand, I agree with you--staying on topic would be nice, but no one seems to care--even the moderator.

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Maybe you should consider a thread: "Questions for the Bahai"?




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Maybe you should consider a thread: "Questions for the Bahai"?

Even if I did, it would not move the POT stuff to that thread. I think we're stuck with it til the administrator does something.

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Questions for the Baha'i Page: 1 2 3 4

I see it's already there....




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Questions for the Baha'i Page: 1 2 3 4

I see it's already there....

So why is it not in use? Beats me.

Maybe you and I could get back on topic and quit adding to the problem.

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Here we go!


“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Matthew 24:29

These cosmic events Jesus said will occur just prior to His coming.

I didn't see such cosmic events or read about such events happening since Jesus was here...have you?




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Here we go!


“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Matthew 24:29

These cosmic events Jesus said will occur just prior to His coming.

I didn't see such cosmic events or read about such events happening since Jesus was here...have you?


Gosh! I hope I don't get heartburn from those Advil I took.

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Gosh! I hope I don't get heartburn from those Advil I took.

"The first coming was also under these conditions, though outwardly none of them came to pass. Therefore, the Jews rejected Christ, and, God forbid! called the Messiah masíkh,  considered Him to be the destroyer of the edifice of God, regarded Him as the breaker of the Sabbath and the Law, and sentenced Him to death. Nevertheless, each one of these conditions had a signification that the Jews did not understand; therefore, they were debarred from perceiving the truth of Christ.

 

5 Perhaps the thief will be in the house, and the owner will not know it.

 

6

It is clear and evident that these signs have symbolic signification, and that they are not literal. They are fully explained in the Kitáb-i-Íqán. Refer to it.

http://www.ibiblio.org/Bahai/Texts/EN/SAQ/SAQ-26.html
 

In your terms I am staking my mortal soul on believing whaqt I believe, what greater sincerity can there be than that?

 

Regards,

Scott


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Dear friend,

Fox writes: [Free.man I don't feel like you answered my question at all! I don't care about the 9 and what it means. You've already told us no individual Baha'is can claim authority over the Faith. I want to know why? Why are you so concerned about everyone understanding only one faith, the way you want it understood? Why are you guys so controling?? I want to know just exactly what this legal entity is, and why you even have one??]

I'll take these in order from top to bottom.

I posted about the number nine because you included it in your post.

Why? - Because all the religions before the Baha'i faith split into factions; each with a claim to authority. The Baha'i Faith has only one chain of authority set up by Baha'u'llah and there have been many attempts by others with no authority to take authority. All those attempts have failed because they had no authority.

Understanding - Every Baha'i has their own understanding of the Baha'i Faith. What no individual Baha'i can do is claim that their own individual understanding is the authorized authority.

A cornerstone of the Baha'i Faith is one Faith. Not two. Not 38,000. No individual Baha'i has the authority to set up a sect or faction. Each individual member is a Baha'i or is not a Baha'i. Moreover, it is not significant what I want or do not want because the Baha'i Faith is one Faith.

Controlling - I don't have to be a member of the Baha'i Faith; I want to be a member of the Baha'i Faith. I choose to be a Baha'i. I know why I am a Baha'i. Every Baha'i aught to know why they are a Baha'i. I control myself.

Legal entity - I am a legal entity because I have a birth certificate, drivers license, soc security number, bank accounts, credit cards, degrees, state and federal licenses and so on that identifies me as such. All legal documented businesses are also legal entities. The Baha'i UHJ and other Baha'i Faith institutions also have documentation from the UN and from most governments from around the world that recognize the Baha'i Faith as a legal entity.

Hope this helps!

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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote: muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:
So I do not understand your position in this particularly. Might I ask you to try again? I'd like to answer your question but answering questions is sometimes a difficult proposition.


I think what Fox is saying, is that the Bahai' faith has to live by what the higher ups decree, much like the Catholics and the Mormons, and that's what it seems to me, also.

In most protestant denominations, the Bible is the ultimate authority. I had a Baptist preacher tell me once, that no matter what he said in the pulpit or in Sunday School, to not believe every word he said, to always let the Bible be the final word. He encouraged a deep study of the Greek and Hebrew text as best we could, and see where the writer was coming from, and then decide for ourselves, if what he was saying lined up with the Bible. We, or I don't have to listen to higher ups, other than the Holy Spirit of God, to tell me what the Bible means.


Actually, there is no one living who can tell me how to interpret anything.

Regards,

Scott

Then how, pray tell, do you know what is right? If you have no one to interpret, how do you know you are following the right path? What is your guidelines? What guides you through your understanding?
Dear friend,


As stated many times before:

Baha'u'llah wrote or dictated well over 25000 separate documents and never let one to be published with His review. If bound they would fill about 100 volumes the size of the Bible. The original documents are kept in vaults that any Baha'i can study. Abdul'Baha was as prolific and those originals are in vaults, also. Shoghi Effendi was also as prolific and translated much of the Baha'i Scripture into English.

This chain of authority in the Baha'i Faith is unparalelled in all religious history.

What guides me is I can read original Baha'i Scripture for myself and study it. If I don't get something I continue to study it. I consult with other Baha'is and so forth.

Free.man

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