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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:24HourNut wrote:That's reasonable. However,k how do you tell which obscurence is the significant one? Which eclips of the moon is the ONE? Which meteor shower? We have major meteor showers twice a year. Okay, Frank; in your opinion is the Bioble and Christianity just one more text based religion or not? Do you give more res[pect to Jesus as the source of that text based religion than you would to Baha`u'llah as the source of another text-based religion. I am just trying to avoid more "last word" drudgery. Regards, Scott
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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I don't know what this last word BS is again, another cute game-playing tactic, apparently. My comments were about your play-dumb question about which meteor showers. My answer was my answer. If you have a problem with the specifics of my answer or are finally done pretending that all those events weren't supposed to be so dramatic and global that we don't need anything to tell us Jesus came back already, let me know. Until then, I find every other post by you to be either dismissive or accusing of last word stuff. Again, not very religious, humble, or Jesus-like of you at all. So far what I have been seeing from the Bahai corner is the same typical text-based fanaticism, arrogance, and confrontational defending like all the other religions. I stand by my position - the Bahai faith will and is suffering the same symptoms of the other religions based upon: pretend we know God's details because of what a stranger wrote, and that we have the true, right story from God and other people are not interpreting things correctly. Anyway, I was responding to a Second Coming question you had and was staying on topic until you decided to get cute. So, I am staying on topic. Now, would you now like to know which eclipse, or do you get the drift on how we all would know since it is part of a global and dramatic event needing no assistance and will have no wondering regarding Jesus coming back. This is unlike the Bahai position which is that "people will find out" he already came and listening to you explain how he already came. PLEASE. It was not to be an event like his first entrance OR smaller than the invention of pop tarts.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Frank, Nice sidestep! When you answer my question, I'll answer yours: My question--- "Okay, Frank; in your opinion is the Bible and Christianity just one more text based religion or not? Do you give more respect to Jesus as the source of that text based religion than you would to Baha`u'llah as the source of another text-based religion." I cleared out a couple typos, just to be sure there was no confusion. Partial answer in good faith of your question: Jesus was speaking in symbols when He talks about the sun darkening, the moon darkening and the stars falling. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Popeyesays wrote:
Really?  So let's see what you do with the next verse just for fun... Jesus said, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote: THe verse is absolutely correct. It is describing "Judgment Day", is it not? Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Popeyesays wrote: Is Jesus visibly/physically returning from heaven here?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Popeyesays wrote: You're gonna hate this answer: Yes, in a symbolic sense. No, it is not the physical body of Jesus, but the SPirit of Jesus returns. Do you think that the verse refers to Judgment Day? aAnd if so, what, exactly IS Judgment Day? Regards, Scott
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Popeyesays wrote: Frank, I am not sidestepping anything. You didn't acknowledge my meteor shower response/point. You decided to sidestep and get cute instead, dismissing it because of my beliefs. Now, if we can go back to the pre-cute dismissive point, I would like to know: do you see how asking "which meteor strikes" or "which eclipse" is silly since it is supposed to be so global and dramatic, with Jesus arriving, that we don't need to be told or educated when Jesus' Second Coming was? Do you get that it is supposed to be a meteor shower an eclipse so dramatic and so part of a big dramatic global entry, that everyone will know and not need to be told "look here or thre?" Are you done pretending it was supposed to be like his entrance, or that it was not supposed to be global, dramatic, and obvious so that people like Bahais going around saying Jesus already came 150 years ago are obviously in conflict and unncessary? Jesus' Second Coming was clearly not supposed to be some detective work project. It is supposed to be super known by all, no assistance needed.
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:Frank, Actually, I think that the "Second Coming" is a huge symbol since it is not the physical Jesus who returns. It is a metaphor for Judgment Day. Judgment Day is an event when the vigilance and spiritual spark must be proven. Jesus will come to judge the "quick and the dead". the spiritually quick and the spiritually dead, as attested in the story of the rich man who asks to follow and turns away because he must give up his worldly possessions (things of the flesh) to be accepted. So that judgment requires testing, and the instrument is an advent that demands one be vigilant, aware and willing to set aside that which is flesh and take up that which is the spirit. Therefore the second coming must be something one has to accept on one's own bat; thereore such a world-encompassing event as you would demand we accept would be contrary to the will of God that one chooses to follow or not follow. Now, from your other posts in other areas, you do not accept text based belief systems anyway, so I really think your objections are solipsistic, not genuine. Solipsism is the Socratic Method gone terribly wrong, and I have no desire to enter into arguments which become mere words and nothing but words. Since you reject Christ and reject Baha`u'llah where is your dog in the fight? If it ain't sincere, it's pointless. Regards, Scott
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Actually, I think that the "Second Coming" is a huge symbol since it is not the physical Jesus who returns. It is a metaphor for Judgment Day. Then you are in conflict with the Bible. The Bible is clear it will be Second Coming - i.e. an arrival in person, the second Coming after his first Coming. The Bible indicates how much more dramatic and global his Second one will be, though. Judgment Day is an event when the vigilance and spiritual spark must be proven. Jesus will come to judge the "quick and the dead". the spiritually quick and the spiritually dead, as attested in the story of the rich man who asks to follow and turns away because he must give up his worldly possessions (things of the flesh) to be accepted. This does not negate how it will be a dramatic and global event, with no need to anyone to explain anything or to point to where to look for Jesus' Second Coming - which is in direct contradiction to the Bahais, which think others will find out or need to be told that Jesus came already. Now, from your other posts in other areas, you do not accept text based belief systems anyway, so I really think your objections are solipsistic, not genuine. No offense, but you think God needs people to write stuff down for him and make organizations ... so perhaps you are not qualified to judge my objections since if I started judging your comments I could come up with far worse terms than "not genuine." So, stop worrying about my personal feelings regarding my faith or relationship with God. I am aware that my God laughs at people joining or creating organized religions and playing with words as if God wanted a big word fight across multiple religions. Solipsism is the Socratic Method gone terribly wrong, and I have no desire to enter into arguments which become mere words and nothing but words. Then you can put me on Ignore if it makes you feel better. You asked "which meteors" so you apparently didn't know when to identify Jesus' Second Coming since those meteors would be unprecedented and part of a dramatic, global reappearance of Jesus. You are stuck asking those questions because you keep pretending that we need Bahais (or anyone) to tell us Jesus came or to show how our feelings about how Jesus will come are wrong. No one needs PEOPLE to tell other PEOPLE about God's details. That is the built-in danger, fanaticism, and delusion found in organized text-based religious systems. All byproducts of archaic tactics. Since you reject Christ and reject Baha`u'llah where is your dog in the fight? My dog is objective truth. You don't get points or more credit because you happen to buy text that strangers wrote as God's writings. You don't get credit for what seems to be insanity or delusion on my end. So if you want pretend my points don't have validity because I don't buy Baha or Bahai or Supernatural Jesus or any of that stuff, that is your decision. Meanwhile, I think my meteor explanation to you is perfectly valid. If you choose to dismiss valid comments or answers, have a blast. If it ain't sincere, it's pointless. What's not sincere is pretending you or anyone know God or God's details because of what strangers wrote down, or what strangers wrote down about what other strangers said or did. THAT is pointless, and it is a byproduct of emotional need. But I wasn't getting into all that, I am trying to stay on topic. That is why I answered you meteor shower question and offered to answer your eclipse one, if for some reason. you still want to pretend that Jesus' Second Coming was to rate lower than the Coming of the Motorcycle on the religious global drama chart.
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Frank, If it ain't sincere, it's pointless. Define "objective truth"? " objective truths are true regardless of what anyone thinks. Example: The earth revolves around the sun. This was true, a believer in objective truth would say, long before anyone thought so (the earth being long uninhabited) and even despite everyone thinking otherwise for a long time (prior to Copernicus, for millennia, virtually everyone thought the sun revolved around the earth). " http://www.swif.uniba.it/lei/foldop/foldoc.cgi?objective+truth Just because you want to claim that the second coming must be as JBF defines it, doesn't make it anymore true than claiming that sun revolves around the earth. You do know what the "bandwagon fallacy" is, right? Regards, Scott
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I stand behind the validity of comments. I will let you get back to fighting with JBF over the text that strangers wrote. Apparently this charming archaic practice has too much emotional appeal to allow common sense to prevail. Enjoy ...
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24HourNut wrote: I stand behind the validity of comments. I will let you get back to fighting with JBF over the text that strangers wrote. Apparently this charming archaic practice has too much emotional appeal to allow common sense to prevail. Enjoy ... Dear friend, Entirely too emotional about this frippery, Frank. Arguing for an event that you believe is yet to happen? Go figure! Let's yelp this puppy home. I never met a dog I didn't like  Free  man
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Popeyesays, wrote:For instance it is recorded by the Russian ambassador that the sun was obscured in Tabriz on July 9th, 1850 from shortly after noon until the next day--huge sandstorms, blowing dust and clouds. That was the day and city where the Bab was executed. I want to return to this point for a moment. What you are using here, is in no way connected to the event we are discussing. You are pointing out something that supposedly happened on the day your Bab was executed. What we are talikng about has to do with the return of The Christ, which is a future event. There is a major difference is these two events.
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays, wrote: There was a day of darkness after the execution of Jesus Christ as well. They both died in eerily similar manner. I thought you would draw the comparison yourself. Want to talk about it? Regards, Scott
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