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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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Popeyesays wrote: muddawber wrote:Popeyesays, wrote: I know the comparison, Scott, but that isn't the topic here. We are talking about a future event, with the second coming of The Christ. I would talk about it in another thread. As was asked before, let's stay on topic here.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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I have a BIG favor.  Out of the 70 Guests watching currently...could one of you please "sign up" and come on to tell me how these verses have a "symbolic" meaning that needs a re-interpretation?  Acts 1:9-11 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Daniel 7:13 “ I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 26:63-64 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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muddawber wrote: Popeyesays wrote:muddawber wrote:Popeyesays, wrote: Done and done. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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I see no reason to continue the study of Matthew 24 at this juncture. To constantly use the "symbolic" tactic makes such a discussion meaningless.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I see no reason to continue the study of Matthew 24 at this juncture. To constantly use the "symbolic" tactic makes such a discussion meaningless. I never thought you'd really see it through. But really you cannot leave it here, you must follow it through at least a few more verses: "31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it [d] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Come on, the job is not done until we get to these verses. IF, as you say, the verses are literal and do not allow for seeking truth on more levels what do you make of verse 34" Literally speaking these things HAD to occur before the last living Christian in the time of Christ passed on out of this world and into the next. And if that did not happen, then none of it can be considered as having ONLY the literal meaning. Deal with this, or you've run away from the discussion. . .again. You're better than that. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Scott, It's this kind of stuff... Scott said: "Jesus was speaking in symbols when He talks about the sun darkening, the moon darkening and the stars falling." ...that makes me cringe. Jesus is describing the sure way to "see" and distinguish between Him and a false christ claim and you are turning clarity into some secret mystery.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott, I'm sorry, JBF, but if I accept your argument merely to make you feel better THAT would be a cop-out would it not. I am willing to say you are as sincere as anyone can possibly be; but you have to allow others to be equally sincere. I am being honest. You are being honest. Let's face our questions honestly as we've been doing--at least long enough to finish the section of Matthew 24 that is at issue. Regards, Scott Last edited on 01:08 am by Popeyesays |
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Fair enough. Matthew 24:31 Jesus said, "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Here the promise to the saints by Jesus to return and gather them together to Him to be with Him forever occurs. See also John 14:1-3
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Based on experience something tells me that my previous post is also "symbolic" to the Bahai and not literal?
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Sorry, I am late responding, JB. We held a memorial service for the baby that was lost by my daughter's "sister" (her best friend actually, no blood relation". He sent His angels out when Christ came the irst time, right? Not everyone saw them did they? God sent Gabriel to Mary and Muhammed according to the Qur'an and sent an angel to Mary in the Gospel. I ind it interesting that Jesus elsewhere speaks of "Three Great WOes". A "woe" is when the voice of God is heard and people do not listen. Muhammed speaks of two great "Blasts upon the trumpet, and the second follows closely" The Bab sopeaks of Him Who God Makes Manifest" There's a count down there: 3 . . . 2 . . . . 1 . . . So, if God can send angels and no one but the recipient of the message hears it, then that's good enough for me. Regards, Scott Last edited on 04:58 pm by Popeyesays |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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When were the elect gathered together to Him to be with Him forever?
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#1. A complete rejection of Jesus statements about His coming. #2. A rejection of what first comes to one's mind and the habit of insisting on inserting something else or thinking that can't mean what it said. #3. A consistent belief that there is no way to understand God in the biblical scriptures therefore everything written must be a mystery or symbolic. I believe these are the required ingredients needed to be deceived about the 2nd Coming of Jesus.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: When were the elect gathered together to Him to be with Him forever? The elect are the believers. They were tested in the Day of Jesus by the presence of Jesus. They were tested in the day of Muhammed by the presence of Muhammed. They were tested in the Day of the Bab, by the presence of THe Bab. Same for Baha`u'llah. In the due course off time they will tested by yet another in the unending chain of Manifestations. Regards, Scott
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If your mom lived in another state and called you on the phone and said, "I am coming to see you soon son and I will take you back home with me." What is she really saying to you? Do you have to call her back several times to get clarification on what she really was saying to you?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: If your mom lived in another state and called you on the phone and said, Last I checked my mother did nbot speak with the voice of God, much as she loves me, and she (living in another state) we do not get to see each other often enough. Jesus is speaking as a vessel of God's will, not as someone I know on the telephone. Regards, Scott
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