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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Heretic
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amy wrote:well, you already know what i think. That would be- because for us the Books mentioned in Daniel have been opened, and our eyes are eyes that see, and our ears are ears that hear what God is saying in our souls in this Wondrous Day and Glorious Age!! 
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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The Jews had a difficult time trying to reconcil OT scriptures related to the Messiah... "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Isa. 7:14 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." Isa. 9:6 ~ 7 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." Isa. 53:1 ~ 5 On the one had there are Messianic scriptures that talk about the Messiah as Lord and Conquering King. This is the reason the disciples thought Jesus was going to overturn Roman's domination and restore the Kingdom to Israel. On the other had there are the scriptures related to the sacrificial death for the sins of the people. This is what the High Priest referred to in the NT talking about the death of Jesus (one should suffer for the sins of the people). Last edited on 05-28-2007 02:45 am by pmh1nic |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Seeing through the lies...
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: It's a lot easier instead of polling Jews to just read the bible sirlamre like Romans 11 to find out why most Jews did not recongnize Jesus as the Savior. It just saves a lot of time I think.
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: It's a lot easier instead of polling Jews to just read the bible like Romans 11 to find out why most Jews did not recongnize Jesus as the Savior. It just saves a lot of time I think. Sure it saves time, but why would anyone not want to make a thorough search for God's truth? Secondly, what can it hurt to check out a different point of view? Thirdly, do you think people should read only what Baha'u'llah says about why Christians do not recognize Him as the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and not poll Christians to see what they think of the situation?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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Acts 1:9-11 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” will so (Greek) houto: In this way, in this manner, as, even, so. come (Greek) erchomai: Accompany, appear , bring, come, enter, fall out, go. like manner (Greek) tropos: Mode, style, even as, way, means, like.  No matter how you slice it. Jesus has not returned a second time in the way or manner he left in the 1st century. When He comes again, the bible teaches He will return in the same style and way as He was taken into heaven. These men saw Him physically taken up from them as also all eyes will physically see Him come back down from heaven when He returns.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
why then does it say "why"? 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:  Hi Amy.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Amy Original500© Member ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Amy wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:  
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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SunOfThunder Original500© Member  Trampling The Devil Underfoot
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berin, its apparent that the ancient jews were expecting a warrior messiah to deliver them from the roman oppression, they were not concerned for humanity as God is (through Jesus). Also If you will not believe the (whole) Bible which is from front to back the Book of Christ and not just bits and pieces(* which is wrong) why do you rely so much on what the jews believe about Jesus? * Rev 22:18 I, John, solemnly warn everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: if any add anything to them, God will add to their punishment the plagues described in this book. Rev 22:19 And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book. and isnt what Baha'a'ullah doing just "adding too " or using bits and peices of his own to the book? Last edited on 07-16-2007 06:26 pm by SunOfThunder |
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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SunOfThunder wrote: why do you rely so much on what the jews believe about Jesus? Because the Jews made a mistake 2000 years ago. That mistake is the reason why they did not believe Jesus fulfilled Messianic prophecy. Christians are making the exact same mistake today. isnt what Baha'a'ullah doing just "adding too " or using bits and peices of his own to the book? No. If you read what Baha'u'llah has written you can clearly see the difference between the warning in the Book of Revelation and the Baha'i Faith.
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SunOfThunder Original500© Member Trampling The Devil Underfoot
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Ive said what i can so I will no longer be posting on issues of the bahai faith. I certainly mean no disrespect for any bahai's , but i feel you have been mislead and the evidence overwhelming. I will be praying for all of you.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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berinwitness wrote: SunOfThunder wrote:why do you rely so much on what the jews believe about Jesus? Again, you choose not to read the bible and call it a mistake they did not recognize the Messiah. There is no excuse now. You simply choose to ignore what God has shown you regarding Israel and the Jewish peoples.
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SunOfThunder wrote: Ive said what i can so I will no longer be posting on issues of the bahai faith. I certainly mean no disrespect for any bahai's , but i feel you have been Why do you feel we have been mislead? Please present the overwhelming evidence.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: you choose not to read the bible and call it a mistake they did not recognize the Messiah. There is no excuse now. You simply choose to ignore what God has shown you regarding Israel and the Jewish peoples. Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. Please present evidence that it is God Who has shown me what I should believe regarding Israel and the Jewish peoples. As near as I can tell so far all I have seen is your personal opinions. My excuse is that you have ignored/evaded every single one of my questions. My study of the Baha'i Faith answered them.
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