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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:you choose not to read the bible and call it a mistake they did not recognize the Messiah. There is no excuse now. You simply choose to ignore what God has shown you regarding Israel and the Jewish peoples. In my reasoning with you I use the bible. I use it regardless of how one abuses, mis-quotes or re-interprets it. It has withstood the test of time. It's credibility is beyond any other holy book, author or so-called inspired writtings. It is the inspired word of God and it cuts to the heart of man. It is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the hearers and the heart. The Holy Spirit is in the world and the word of God will not return empty or void to Him who sent it. 
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Dolfina Original500© Member  Albino Squirrel
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You're right. The "rapture" or the "taking away" as the Bible speaks of it, will NOT be the Second Coming since He will "meet us in the clouds" and the "dead in Christ shall rise first and we who are who alive and remain shall be caught up to meet Him in the CLOUDS"....the Second Coming is when and the Saints return and He puts his foot on the Mount...then He will walk through the Eastern Gate, which the Muslins have sealed up completely and put a graveyard on the outside to "keep the Messiah out" since they know the prophecy that He will walk through the Eastern Gate...as if anything can stop the Risen Lord! I'm glad we have unbelievers (in OUR faith) on this forum, it makes it lively and challenging....at least they aren't hateful and rude, but sometimes quite humorous!!!
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. Your post contains NO evidence and NO answers. Try again. In my reasoning with you If you had, so far, used anything remotely resembling reasoning I would probably not still be a Baha'i.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Heretic
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"The Holy Spirit is in the world and the word of God will not return empty or void to Him who sent it." Precisely. Even if most of the people of the world ARE making the same mistake the Jews did.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:berinwitness wrote:Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible.  And this time I tried leaving out the bible verses to see if that might work. 
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:berinwitness wrote:Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. Still no evidence, still no answers. At this rate, this will grow to be very long but with no substance.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member
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berinwitness wrote:
Interpretation of the word evidence by the Baha'i Faith evidence: defined as Baha'u'llah writings only or of personal Bahai members feelings evidence: defined as Official Baha'i Organization commentary and/or writtings/re-interpretations false evidence: any commentary or writtings biblical or otherwise not supported by Baha'u'llah writtings or Official Baha'i Organization commentary and/or re-interpretations  Last edited on 09:58 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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berinwitness wrote: Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. JustifiedByFaith wrote: Interpretation of the word evidence by the Baha'i Faith Where is your evidence that God agrees with you? Do you have any evidence of that?
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berinwitness wrote: berinwitness wrote:Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. 
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berinwitness wrote: Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. JustifiedByFaith wrote: If anyone is reading this, JBF's "yawn" post is typical of the responses I get when I ask Christians for evidence on ANY subject. And yet they expect me to give up my religion.
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berinwitness wrote: berinwitness wrote:Please present evidence that, if there is a difference between the Bible and Baha'i teaching, God wants me to choose the Bible. Believe me. Thier reading it. About 547 to be exact, and I bet they have a much different take.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:If anyone is reading this, JBF's "yawn" post is typical of the responses I get when I ask Christians for evidence on ANY subject. And yet they expect me to give up my religion. Hey, you 547! Let's hear from you! Who is more convincing, the Christians or the Baha'is? Do you think JBF has answered my questions or ignored them?
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Let's look at what Jesus said a little closer regarding His warnings about the false Christ's and how He said He Himself will return.  Jesus said, “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. nd unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:15-31 vs15-20 :We see the antichrist revealed and Jesus say's when this happens for people in Israel to flee to the mountains. vs21: We see Jesus speaking of a time so terrible that it has never happened before in the world or will ever happen again. vs22: This period is so terrible that if it were not for Him alone, no flesh would survive! vs 23-24: Jesus warns that people will be saying they are the Christ and to not believe them. Jesus say's there will be much deception and flase christs and false prophets. vs27: Jesus distinguishes a key difference between the false Christs and Himself. His coming will be fast and sudden! It also will be from the heavens. vs29: Immediately after that Great Tribulation the sun will darken and the moon will darken and the stars will fall from heaven. There will be incredible heavenly disturbances. vs 30: Then the sign of Him will appear IN HEAVEN and all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they WILL SEE Him coming on the clouds of heaven with greatt power and great glory. vs 31: He will gather together His believers from all over the world!  Did all this happen in the year 1844? If so, was everyone sleeping at the time?Last edited on 03:21 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
In a manner of speaking, yes.
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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: This verse you quoted is regarding the Jewish peoples and the Messiah as no one reads Romans either but just say's the Jews by logic missed the Messiah. Again, the Bahai faith is out of context and/or mis-interpreting for Baha'i gain. Please Amy context! context.! It isn't saying the world missed Jesus in 1844. Please Amy. Please.
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