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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > How Will The Christ Return A Second Time? |
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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1jester wrote: Scriptures depict a different method of Christ's next coming - in the clouds, as He left. And in all truth that is true. The clouds of confusion had veiled the word of God from mankind's sight, Muhammed came and burned those veils away from. Then the Bab and Baha`u'llah came to do the same thing when those clouds of confusion returned after the message of Muhammed. To descend from the clouds physically sense would require at least 24 simultaneous descents. When religion requires you to believe what is unbelievable, then it is only superstition remaining. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Do both the Bahai and Christians believe that a Judgment Day of some sort came or will come with Jesus' Second Coming? Is that when picking up people and throwing them into Hell to suffer for all eternity (lovingly of course) was to happen? Judgment Day happens when a new Manifestation makes His claim and people face the decision to accept it or not. The world does not end in a physical sense, but in a spiritual one. That spiritual end is immediately turned into a spiritual beginning and there is no "hitch in the gitalong" perceivable in the event. We also do not believe in eternal punishment, a physical hell or heaven either. Regards, Scott
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foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:popeyesays: Jesus came from heaven in the first place, through the womb of a woman. He'll return the same way. Which of course, He has done three times now. Dear friend, In a nutshell: 1. God exists and is the Creator of all things (kullu shay). 2. Creation is unthinkable without a Creator. 3) Creation is unable to fully understand it's own Creator. 4) God, the Creator, therefore sends His Representative to the world in a more understandable form so the world can grow. 5) God's sends His Rep periodically to the world as the world grows. The world changes as understanding developes. Old ideas no longer suffice. 6) The Rep(single essence) appears/returns in different forms at different times. Each of these Reps have a specific job and/or area of concentration. (Same light - different lantern)(different lantern for a different job) 7) The world learns more about itself and more about the Creator through the interaction with the Rep. 8) The world grows. 9) I'm a happy guy! Pax! Free.man
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Thanks for that reply, Scott. Free.man, but seriously, why all the games? Why not instead of using divine intervention to drown babies and various other interventions, just let people know the truth and which religion is right so that the constant inherent conflict of these silly text and test-based systems can be put aside? Besides seeming very man-made and man-inspired, they seem historically and inherently good for encouraging conflict and confusion. It doesn't make sense to me. And I don't believe "it's not supposed to" because I am apparently supposed to use my logic and reasoning to pick a religion.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Do both the Bahai and Christians believe that a Judgment Day of some sort came or will come with Jesus' Second Coming? Is that when picking up people and throwing them into Hell to suffer for all eternity (lovingly of course) was to happen? Dear friend, I know you are reluctant to read the Kitab-i-Igan(Book of Certitude) but Baha'u'llah answers all these questions in this one book. Having said that; Baha'u'llah says that Judgement Day comes with each of God's Manifestations. Hell is remoteness from God. Remoteness from God's Rep is remotness from God. Heaven is closeness to God. Closeness to God's Rep is closeness to God. Pax! Free  man
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Thanks for that reply, Scott. Free.man, but seriously, why all the games? Why not instead of using divine intervention to drown babies and various other interventions, just let people know the truth and which religion is right so that the constant inherent conflict of these silly text and test-based systems can be put aside? Besides seeming very man-made and man-inspired, they seem historically and inherently good for encouraging conflict and confusion. It doesn't make sense to me. And I don't believe "it's not supposed to" because I am apparently supposed to use my logic and reasoning to pick a religion.Dear friend, Hehehehe! Jack, "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!".  Simply, the whole truth is too much to handle at any one given time. What would happen too a first or third grader if the teacher gave all the answers they knew at once. The student could not handle it and without an opportunity to do a reality check they would not believe it anyway. Plus, if the teacher gave the students all the answers all at once the student does not have to do anything to try to understand. Game over! Free.man
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Free.man, I appreciate that response but we both know God could make understanding happen by all at any time.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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The Bahai organization has unfortunately manifested a lie. Jesus did not return already in the 1800s. Jesus warned of such nonsense. He even told us HOW He would return and WHAT He would do when He did.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Free.man wrote: foxglovepress wrote:Popeyesays wrote:foxglovepress wrote:popeyesays: Jesus came from heaven in the first place, through the womb of a woman. He'll return the same way. Which of course, He has done three times now. Thank you free.man, it should be simple and easy for me to understand. I've been around here long enough for you to know that I probably have more questions though. I still don't know the answer to #4, and #5, #6, and #7. I hear exactly what you're saying, I just don't understand why or how you've come to know it. Is there a simple sentence or statement from the Bible that makes you feel this is true? These threads become too involved and complicated for me to stick round very long. I'm more a cut and dried kind of person. Forget I'm JBF's mother here, I'm truly asking because I don't understand how you've come to know this from the Bible? I do appreciate the simplicity you and popyeyesays are trying to stick to also. You're somehow not answering my question to my understanding though.......
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, I appreciate that response but we both know God could make understanding happen by all at any time. sure...but then you would not have free will, would you?
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The Bahai organization has unfortunately manifested a lie. Jesus did not return already in the 1800s. Jesus warned of such nonsense. He even told us HOW He would return and WHAT He would do when He did. By telling us to watch for false prophets, he also tells us we must watch for true prophets. Then He gives us the parable of the evfgil fruit and goodly fruit to give us a means to choose. Islam was a goodly fruit. Manichaeanism was not a goodly fruit. Baha`i is a goodly fruit by the standards Christ gives us. Regards, Scott
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, I appreciate that response but we both know God could make understanding happen by all at any time. Baha`i's beloieve we were created to know and worship God as a result of effort on our parts. We are firm believers in free will and the responsibility of choice. God could do it if He had made us different, but He did not want to create angels a second time. We choose, we accept responsibility. God judges us with infinite Justice and infinite Mercy. If He had wanted otherwise, He would have done it differently, for God's will cannot be thwarted by any of His creations. Regards, Scott
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Amy wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Free.man, I appreciate that response but we both know God could make understanding happen by all at any time. God has intervened and gone out of his way to make people understand stuff without eliminating free will. You don't have to eliminate free will by letting your humans know who created them and why, avoiding all the inherent problems in the multiple and mysterious text and test-based systems. That is my basic response to you too, Scott.
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24HourNut wrote: Amy wrote:24HourNut wrote:Free.man, I appreciate that response but we both know God could make understanding happen by all at any time. Okay, it's reasonable for sure. I would ask to what degree do you think God can make it obvious and still call upon us to think it out for ourselves (free will)? Here's the opening paragraph of Epistle to the SOn of the Wolf which is, I think instructive: "Praise be to God, the Eternal that perisheth not, the Everlasting that declineth not, the Self-Subsisting that altereth not. He it is Who is transcendent in His sovereignty, Who is manifest through His signs, and is hidden through His mysteries. He it is at Whose bidding the standard of the Most Exalted Word hath been lifted up in the world of creation, and the banner of "He doeth whatsoever He willeth" raised amidst all peoples. He it is Who hath revealed His Cause for the guidance of His creatures, and sent down His verses to demonstrate His Proof and His Testimony, and embellished the preface of the Book of Man with the ornament of utterance through His saying: "The God of Mercy hath taught the Qur'án, hath created man, and taught him articulate speech." No God is there but Him, the One, the Peerless, the Powerful, the Mighty, the Beneficent. " Regards, \Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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The ONLY way Baha'u'llah is Christ's 2nd coming is by re-interpreting, twisting, and adding to the bible...plain and simple.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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