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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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popeyesays, Are you a Jew? Maybe you find the Apostle Paul of little interest if your not a Gentile... the Apostle Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles and no wonder you are not understanding the bible yet.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: popeyesays, Why would it matter? I have a Jewish sister-in-law and by definition two Jewish nephews. I was raised Presbyterian, moved to an Anglican church at one point studied to be a deacon, then went back to a Presbyterian connunity. That's where I was when I discovered the faith Regards, Scott
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The church has weighed what has been said by Baha'u'llah and has found Him to be a false christ. And the Jewish Rabbinate "weighed" what Christ had to say --- --- we all know where THAT got them! I'm 100,000% certain that the SAME thing is happening again RIGHT NOW, because of how "the church" is treating Christ as He has returned! Gonna be lots of people with "pastor" or "minister" or "reverend" in front of their name, wondering what the heck THEY were thinking....and trying to explain themselves to God --- who will just tell them "Go stand over there with those rabbis....you're in the same boat with them"
Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre, I read it. It only proves what I already knew about why the Jews had misunderstood and misinterpreted the OT verses--- Why is that supposed to say anything DIFFERENT than what an unbiased observation of spiritual history will already tell you? It PROVES spiritual history, not the other way around.... And it proves that EVERYTHING Baha'u'llah said about why the Jews rejected Christ and why Christians would reject Him are ONE AND THE SAME set of reasons--- that is -- once you pay attention to the SPIRITUAL LESSON that is in Romans, and don't just stop at the literal words as literal history and nothing more. Last edited on 05:27 am by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:popeyesays, JBF is constantly AMAZED that anyone could find anything SPIRITUAL in the Bible, that anyone would BOTHER to do anything more than stop at the most literal interpretation possible. He's just as amazed at me--- that I read and understand Paul, and find in him reason to read and study the Baha'i Writings... He just DOES NOT understand that the Bible is what LEADS Baha'is to the Writings...
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Just curious...Who are you talking to sirlamre?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Just curious...Who are you talking to sirlamre?Dear friend, Martin Luther on Romans: "This epistle is really the chief part of the New Testament, and is truly the purest gospel." - LW 35:365 Questian: Do you, JBF, believe what Martin Luther says here about Romans(attributed to Paul)? Is Romans really the most important(my words) Book of the New Testament? Paul never even knew Jesus when He was here on earth. Romans does not have one actual quote from Jesus in it and it is more pure then those Books that have actual quotes from Jesus. Does Martin Luther know more then those who actually were with Jesus and knew Him better then anybody else? Is it true that ML believed Paul was more significant then Jesus? Is not Romans more about "God's righteousness" then "justification by faith alone"? Free ? man
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Free.man "Paul never even knew Jesus when He was here on earth." Actually this may not be accurate. There is a possibility that during Jesus three year public ministry Paul might have seen and heard Jesus speak. Also, Paul said "and last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time." 1 Corinthians 15:8 The Book of Romans is one of my favorites and I can understand Martin Luther's sentiment. But his sentiment is just that, his sentiment. Others might feel the same about the Gospel of John, the Book of Hebrews, etc., etc., etc. Also, one of the clearest statements in the Bible about Christ return is given in Acts chapter 1: "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." This makes it clear that He is coming in a form that can be seen with that natural eye and that it will be the same Jesus coming as the one taken up spoke of in this passage. The reference to "a thief in the night" is referring to the idea that no one knows the day or the hour of His return.
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pmh1nic wrote: one of the clearest statements in the Bible about Christ return is given in Acts chapter 1: Only if that is a recording of an actual physical event. If Jesus' ascension was entirely spiritual perhaps the author didn't know how else to phrase it. The reference to "a thief in the night" is referring to the idea that no one knows the day or the hour of His return. Oh? Doesn't a thief sneak in, do his work quietly, and leave unnoticed? Does a thief arrive with heralds blowing trumpets? If all eyes see a thief doesn't that spoil the entire occasion? Personally, I interpret the prophecies of an angelic celebration non-literally.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Free.man, The Apostle was endorsed by James and Peter to his calling to the Gentiles. Paul spoke in several of his epistles regarding his calling as an Apostle to the Gentiles. We are either a Jew or a Gentile not both. For a Gentile to say that Paul's writings are not that important especially since he wrote 50%+- of the New Testament is very odd to me.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man,Dear friend, Dear friend, Look, JBF, I buy the idea of Paul's conversion and apostleship as recorded in the Bible. What I'm asking you is why let someone else not even mentioned in the Bible interpret what the Bible says? The Catholic Bible has more then 66 Books, so someone had to have altered the Bible that you use. Moreover, the ML quote says Romans is "purer" then any other Book in the NT. I'm asking about who you show fealty too here? Is it Jesus or is it someone else's interpretation of Jesus? Remember, you were the one who pointed to Romans. Romans is about Paul and the formation of the church. Is theat story purer then the story of the Son? Martin Luther says so. Now that is odd. Free.man
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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"Only if that is a recording of an actual physical event. If Jesus' ascension was entirely spiritual perhaps the author didn't know how else to phrase it." Again, using standard methods of interpretation of written material you interpret what you've read literally unless there is something in the text or context that would lead you to do otherwise. As far as I can tell there is nothing in the context in which this versus was taken that would lead me to believe it is to interpreted in any way other then literally. "Oh? Doesn't a thief sneak in, do his work quietly, and leave unnoticed? Does a thief arrive with heralds blowing trumpets? If all eyes see a thief doesn't that spoil the entire occasion?" If you read this passage in context (Matthew 24) Jesus makes it clear that His reference to a thief has to do with being unexpected... "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." As for the trumpet sounding, if you wait until the trumpet sounds to make your decision to trust Jesus as your Savior it will be too late. In the same way that if you wait until the thief breaks into your house to purchase a firearm it's too late.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Free.man, Romans isn't about Paul. It's about the New Covenant of God's grace toward man. It's about Jesus and how He fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law. It's about the Jews and Gentiles and the differences in how God deals with each and blesses each group. It talks about how and why the Jews missed the Messiah of which the Bahai faith seems to ignore trying to insert Baha'u'llah referencing the Jews inability to identify Jesus the Messiah. It's a lot more than a book about Paul.
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pmh1nic wrote: using standard methods of interpretation When it comes to interpreting Bible prophecy, who decides what those methods are? As far as I can tell there is nothing in the context in which this versus was taken that would lead me to believe it is to interpreted in any way other then literally. And as far as *I* can tell there are other possibilities. So how can I be certain that God agrees with YOU? Jesus makes it clear Not to me, or I wouldn't be asking any questions. As for the trumpet sounding, if you wait until the trumpet sounds to make your decision to trust Jesus as your Savior it will be too late. Apparently you are unaware that I am a member of the Baha'i religion. I believe the Trumpet sounded May 22-23, 1844. IMO Christ has come and gone again, leaving us a wealth of guidance until His next visit.
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How do you interpret this? The Lord Jesus himself said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me." (John 14:6) Peter's message at Pentecost, "There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!" (Acts 4:12)
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