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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > so there are Bahai sects? or not? |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote: I bet I could find someone who interprets the rules differently and sees them as allegorical. Your too much... 
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: I bet I could find someone who interprets the rules differently and sees them as allegorical. Dear friend, Knock yourself out. Come ride the she-camel ;O) My hair is My Veil whereby I conceal My beauty, that haply the eyes of the non-believers among My servants may not fall upon it. Thus do We conceal from the sight of the ungodly the glorious and sublime beauty of Our Countenance. - Baha'u'llah Were ye to incline your inner ears unto Him, ye would hear from every limb and member and vein and even from every single hair of this Wronged One that which would stir and enrapture the Concourse on high and the world of creation. (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 162) In this realm, instruction is assuredly of no avail. The lover's teacher is the Loved One's beauty, His face their lesson and their only book. Learning of wonderment, of longing love their duty, Not on learned chapters and dull themes they look. The chain that binds them is His musky hair, (Baha'u'llah, The Four Valleys, p. 56) Ba eltimaas e doa! Ya' Baha-ul' Abha, doost! Free.man God knows I love mon'do and, and I'm a happy guy!
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I bet I could find someone who interprets the rules differently and sees them as allegorical. Sure, just post the rules.  By the way, I asked for more specific text and help on the no alcohol rule in another other topic but don't think I received it. Please click for it HERE to assist me, should you be in the giving mood today.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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Dear friend, AKA: [Sure, just post the rules.] LOL! What rules? There are no rules ;O) fabas indulcet fumes! Bust the chary for a MEGO? OR, or; A Baha'i Sect and other debriding performatives? A tussle? Well then, an abbozzo is on the make. I'll also get a few of those other quotes for ya. Free.man God knows I love mon'do and, and I'm a happy guy!
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Free.man, you are a wild and crazy guy! 
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, you are a wild and crazy guy! Dear friend, LOL! J'adoube! I'll still respect you in the morning, AKA, en passant ;O) Free.man God knows I love mon'do and, and I'm a happy guy!
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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Charles Mason Remy claimed that he was adopted by Shoghi Effendi just as Shoghi Effendi was adopted by Abdul'Baha. But as I said before, it doesn't matter whether his claim to descent was true because the line has ended. The reason Remy is important today is that he pointed out at the time that the Hands did not have the authority to establish the Universal House of Justice consistantly with Shoghi Effendi's writings. Thus the Haifa Baha'is are operating illegitimately just as the others are.
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construct wrote: Charles Mason Remy claimed that he was adopted by Shoghi Effendi just as Shoghi Effendi was adopted by Abdul'Baha. But as I said before, it doesn't matter whether his claim to descent was true because the line has ended. Dear friend, Adopted does not mean a blood descendent, now does it? Shoghi Effendi was a blood descendent, plain and simple. You will have to show where Baha'u'llah wrote that being adopted filled the bill. Show me what part of ghusn means adopted? If, as you say, the line of descendents has ended with Shoghi Effendi then the line of Guardians has ended with the death of Shoghi Effendi. End of story. Baha'u'llah established the Institution of the Hands of the Cause of God and appointed people to that station. Abdul'Baha appointed Hands and Shoghi Effendi appointed Hands. Shoghi Effendi was the Guardian. Baha'u'llah set a process for every Baha'i to address differences of opinions. Even after signing a document acknowledging there was no other Guardian appointed by Shoghi Effendi; Remey went out on his own outside the process to make claims to be the next Guardian. Remey therefore was not only not ghusn, he violated the very process that Baha'u'llah established to address differences of opinions. Strike two. End of story. Shoghi Effendi was the Guardian and was the only authorized interpreter at that time. Any claim that the Hands appointed by the Guardian did not have the authority to establish the UHJ as set forth by Baha'u'llah will have to be shown. So, Show me specifically in the Writings proof of your claim. Show me. If you are unable or unwilling to produce such authoritative documents then . . . End of story. The bottom line is any one of these is the end of the story, but, combined means . . . End of the story. Al-mukkataat for me! Abecedary, my dear Construct, abecedary! Abecedary for any construct, I would say. Free.man
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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Well, you can begin to justify your claim that the Universal House of Justice operates legitimately by answering these questions posed by Ross Campell under the title QUESTIONS FOR THE CURRENT HAIFA ADMINISTRATION OVER THE HETERODOX BAHÁ'ÍS OF THE EARTH , WHICH ADMINISTRATION IS ACTING UNDER THE APPELLATION "UNIVERSAL HOUSE OF JUSTICE". He refers throughout to authoritative Baha'i texts. http://www.bahai-guardian.com/questions.html If you can't or won't answer his questions, then . . . end of story. Last edited on 12:59 am by construct |
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construct wrote: the Hands did not have the authority to establish the Universal House of Justice consistantly with Shoghi Effendi's writings. The Hands did not establish the Universal House of Justice. That was accomplished by the members of the National Spiritual Assemblies in April, 1963.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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berinwitness wrote:construct wrote:the Hands did not have the authority to establish the Universal House of Justice consistantly with Shoghi Effendi's writings. My mistake. Ultimately my mistake is inconsequential because Shoghi Effendi had clearly said that the Universal House of Justice would be presided over by the Guardian. After Shoghi Effendi's death, the only person with a claim to being the Second Guardian was Mason Remey. Further, the establishment of the Universal House of Justice in 1963 was a departure from Shoghi Effendi's Ten Year Crusade that he announced in 1953 in that no Baha'i World Court had been formed. Shortly after Mason Remey's death, Joel Bray Marangella, a purported Third Guardian, explained Remey's objections to the actions of the Hands of the Cause in the Herald of the Covenant, Winter 1974/75, linked. http://bahai-guardian.com/violation.html Joel Marangella is the Third Guardian accepted by the Orthodox Baha'is.
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construct wrote: Well, you can begin to justify your claim that the Universal House of Justice operates legitimately by answering these questions posed by Ross Campell under the title QUESTIONS FOR THE CURRENT HAIFA ADMINISTRATION OVER THE HETERODOX BAHÁ'ÍS OF THE EARTH , WHICH ADMINISTRATION IS ACTING UNDER THE APPELLATION "UNIVERSAL HOUSE OF JUSTICE". He refers throughout to authoritative Baha'i texts. Dear friend, No; no; no. I'm not going to rumage through a web page to try to find something that you say is proof. Post the specific quotes here so I know that you have an argument worth addressing. Either you have a presentation or you do not. I can go directly to specific Baha'i Text and you know it. I'll answer questions based on authoritative Baha'i Text as soon as they are presented. You are making a claim, so, you provide the proof of your claim. What part of Al-mukkataat(abecedary)(ABC) do you not get? Free.man
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construct wrote: berinwitness wrote: Dear friend, Here is your logic: 1) Baha'u'llah establishes the Baha'i Faith and it's Administrative order. 2) Baha'i admitistrative order includes the establishment and maintenance of the appointed Institution of the Guardiaship(ghusn;knowledgable;supports the process) and the elected Institution of the House of Justice. 3) The Guardian Of the Baha'i Faith has the authority to administer the Baha'i Faith. 4) Shoghi Effendi is the appointed Guardian of the Baha'i Faith. 5) Shoghi Effendi clearly said(according to you - no quote) that the UHJ would be presided over by the Guardian. 6) Shoghi Effendi died. 7) Remey was the only person with a claim to be the second Guardian. THEREFORE, Remey is the second Guardian? _______________ __ _ As was pointed out previously: Remey was not ghusn. Remey was not appointed. Remey was not really knowledgable about ghusn. Remey signed a document that acknowledged there was no other ghusn Guardian appointed. Remey made a claim to a second Guardianship outside the established process. Question: If Remey (and/or others) do not in any way fulfill the requirements set forth by Baha'u'llah then how can any of them claim to be the authority over the very process that they do not recognize as authoritative nor binding over them? If Remey was not appointed Guardian then how does that make his claim to be Guardian valid? If Remey was not ghusn then how does claiming to be the Guardian make him ghusn and a Guardian? Remey's claim is invalid. Remey claimed the process that he relied on was invalid to prove that his claim was valid. If Remey's claim is proven invalid is not all those who rely on his claim also invalid? Moreover, I'm already well aware of the claims that you have posted here. You are going to have to go way, way beyond these to prove your claim. I'd say: try again. Free.man
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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I got a simple solution: Christ He is the head of the church and all principalities and powers...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I got a simple solution: Christ Dear friend, Couldn't resist the urge, huh? I agree Baha'u'llah(Glory of God = the Christ) is the solution. ;O) Free  manGod knows I love mon'do and, and I'm a happy guy!
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