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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Baha'u'llah stated there would be no direct Revelation from God for at least 1000 years. Please quote Maitreya to show how the Baha'i managed to misunderstand that.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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construct wrote: The first quote says that the Universal House of Justice would be elected by the secondary Houses of Justice, and there weren't any secondary Houses of Justice in 1963. The National Spiritual Assemblies ARE "Houses of Justice" - - and they did elect the UHJ, not the Counsellors or the Hands. they are not called Houses of Justice in the West simply because of the narrow definition of "justice" - primarily relating to criminal punishment and law that is meant by justice in the West. The Baha'i definition of "justice" is much wider than just being policement and judges.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote: construct wrote:The first quote says that the Universal House of Justice would be elected by the secondary Houses of Justice, and there weren't any secondary Houses of Justice in 1963. I bet. 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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quottos Original500© Member
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To Berinwitness, Oh, I believe in Bahaullah, it is just that I have a new prophet who came after the Bahai revelation, and that prophet is the Seventh Angel. Abdul-Baha talked about the Seventh Angel, and I just found someone who has taken it upon himself to write about Bahai prophecy. I don`t know what his beliefs are but just some writing about prophecy of different kinds. Here is what I found on, bahai prophecy, unrelated to what I am doing, but he talks along the line of http://www.maitreya.org "4. Baha'i Prophecy ~ The Baha'i (Persian, "of glory") faith, was founded in the late 19th century by Mirza Husayn Ali of Nur, known as Baha'u'llah (Arabic, "The Glory of God") in fulfillment of a prophecy by Mirza Ali Muhammad of Shiraz, the Bab. The Baha'i religion has its expectations of "The Seventh Angel", who will appear sometime before the year of Mustageth (2001 AD) at the end of this age. He is described as follows in Abdul-Baha’s book, Some Answered Questions: "When the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which will cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then and only then will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody." "The Seventh Angel is a man qualified with heavenly attributes, who will arise with heavenly qualities and character. Voices will be raised, so that the appearance of the Divine Manifestation will be proclaimed and diffused. In the Day of the Manifestation of the Lord of Hosts, and the epoch of the divine cycle of the Omnipotent which is promised and mentioned in the books and writings of the Prophets --- in that Day of God, the Spiritual and Divine Kingdom will be established, and the world will be renewed; a new spirit will be breathed into the body of creation, the season of the Divine Spring will come, the clouds of mercy will rain, the sun of reality will shine, the life-giving breeze will blow, the world of humanity will wear a new garment, the surface of the earth will be a sublime paradise; mankind will be educated, wars, disputes, quarrels and malignity will disappear; and truthfulness, righteousness, honesty, and the worship of God will rule forevermore; meaning that the Spiritual and Everlasting Kingdom will be established. Such is the day of God, for all the days that have come and gone were the days of Abraham, Moses and Christ, or of the other Prophets; but this day is the day of God, for the sun of reality will arise in it with the utmost warmth and splendor." Another vague prophetic promise is made elsewhere in the same book: "These twenty-four great persons, though they are seated on the thrones of everlasting rule, yet are worshipers of the appearance of the universal Manifestation, and they are humble and submissive, saying, 'We give thanks to Thee, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come, because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power and hast reigned' - that is to say, Thou wilt issue all Thy teachings, Thou wilt gather all the people of the earth under Thy shadow, and Thou wilt bring all men under the shadow of one tent. Although it is the Eternal Kingdom of God, and He always had, and has, a Kingdom, the Kingdom here means the manifestation of Himself; and He will issue all the laws and teachings which are the spirit of the world of humanity and everlasting life. And that universal Manifestation will subdue the world by spiritual power, not by war and combat; He will do it with peace and tranquility, not by the sword and arms; He will promote these divine teachings by kindness and righteousness, and not by weapons and harshness. He will so educate the nations and people that, notwithstanding their various conditions, their different customs and characters, and their diverse religions and races, they will, as it is said in the Bible, like the wolf and the lamb, the leopard, the kid, the sucking child and the serpent, become comrades, friends and companions. The contentions of races, the differences of religions, and the barriers between nations will be completely removed, and all will attain perfect union and reconciliation under the shadow of the Blessed Tree." Amen. " that was from: Prophecy: A History of the Future, by Robert A. Nelson
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quottos Original500© Member
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I know people want to call Bahaullah the Seventh Angel, but the Seventh Angel is suppost to happen after Bahaullah. Actually Maitreya didn`t even name himself anything, not even Maitreya, the names were all given to him by someone else. Maitreya made the Greatest Sign, that was his vision and that is how it all started; however, we cannot have it, 'all started', the way you or anyone else, thinks it might be, the plan is God`s, not yours or mine. Believe if you want or don`t want. Look into the Bible, read the Revelation, if you do want any answer. In the Revelation, after the Seventh Angel opens the Book of the Seven Seals, one thousand years is mentioned. If you manage to read that and contemplate the meanings I can get back to you. thank you from Q
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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quottos wrote: Look into the Bible, read the Revelation, if you do want any answer. If you manage to read that and contemplate the meanings I can get back to you. Okay, thank you.
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BruceDLimber Original500© Member  (a Baha'i who loves to sing!)
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Nope: The Baha'i scriptures are crystal clear that there will be NO further Divine Revelator for at least a thousand years, and go on to state explicitly that this is literal and not subject to "figurative interpretation." End of story. Peace, Bruce
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Bruce D. Limber wrote: Nope: The Baha'i scriptures are crystal clear that there will be NO further Divine Revelator for at least a thousand years, and go on to state explicitly that this is literal and not subject to "figurative interpretation." I hate to interupt but I have a question...  Could you show me that text for my very own eyes that comes from the Baha'i faith that actually says something explicitly should be taken literal? 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Bruce D. Limber wrote: Nope: The Baha'i scriptures are crystal clear that there will be NO further Divine Revelator for at least a thousand years, and go on to state explicitly that this is literal and not subject to "figurative interpretation." But why aren't you using the same standard methods of interpretation that your assertion requires be used while interpreting Bahai scriptures ... on the Bible?
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Bruce D. Limber wrote:Nope: The Baha'i scriptures are crystal clear that there will be NO further Divine Revelator for at least a thousand years, and go on to state explicitly that this is literal and not subject to "figurative interpretation." Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, section CLXVI. Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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berinwitness wrote: Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning But it's quite obvious what was meant in the Bible about how Jesus would come again and the Bahai vague symbolic interpretation does not meet it - following the same guidelines you just indicated.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Bruce D. Limber wrote:Nope: The Baha'i scriptures are crystal clear that there will be NO further Divine Revelator for at least a thousand years, and go on to state explicitly that this is literal and not subject to "figurative interpretation." Because we are trying to get Christians to take a step forward and accept Jesus Christ at His Second Coming. An attempt to get Baha'is to accept Maitreya is asking us to take a step BACKWARD and reject our Lord.
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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berinwitness wrote: 24HourNut wrote:But why aren't you using the same standard methods of interpretation that your assertion requires be used while interpreting Bahai scriptures ... on the Bible? That's not a valid excuse to deviate from the methods of interpretation you condone, validate, and use for your own Scriptures, sorry. Now you are making obvious that you cherrypick your allegorical methods and don't even use them on your own scriptures.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: berinwitness wrote:Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning Jesus never said, word-for-word, that "clouds" is not to be symbolically interpreted. Baha'u'llah DID say "one thousand years" is not to be symbolically interpreted. Furthermore, Baha'u'llah appointed - in writing - one specific Person to Whom all Baha'is should turn to if we have questions about the correct meaning of Scripture, and that Interpreter appointed - also in writing - a second interpreter. There was, and never will be, a third. Jesus never gave such a clear appointment of any theologian who has lived during the past 2000 years and instructed all Christians to accept his/her interpretations.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: That's not a valid excuse Oh? Who says?
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