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Anomaly wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
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"JBF, the offender admitted that his actions were int the name of his faith and he was following instructions from the bible. It's one of many examples of criminal acts attempting to be justified by religious belief and vague religious texts.
Of course, an atheist can commit horrific crimes, but an atheist will never commit a crime in the name of 'atheism'."
FGP: Anomaly, there are just as many "screwed up" people who claim to be religious as not! Just because a person does a horrible act and "says" their religious doesn't mean a thing. The part that is confusing to me is that the others are supporting him. I can only assume that's because they ARE in fact religious, and therefore forgive and let God handle it. Who knows! I sure wouldn't assume this man truly was a Christian..............
FGP, you are right, there are just as many screwed up people who claim to be religious or not, religion will not fix your head, thats for certain. It does make for a great cop-out though.
Besides, it's not that he "claimed' to be religious that is the disturbing part, it's - as I said - because he claims his actions were "as dictated in the scripture".
fundamentalist ...................? That's the problem with so many "feel good" religions cropping up. He very possibly DID read it somewhere. That could also explain why the others are supporting him. People need to use their heads! If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
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foxglovepress wrote:
fundamentalist ...................? That's the problem with so many "feel good" religions cropping up. He very possibly DID read it somewhere. That could also explain why the others are supporting him. People need to use their heads! If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
exactly! it's called having a conscience.
But since this guy was the pastor, it wouldn't surprise me if this is the kind of thing he preached, and so quite possibly, they think this is totally acceptable behavior. It's sad when people follow blindly.
Similar to the "Jeffs" case over here. I saw something on the news about it the other day, they were interviewing a young woman who grew up within it, and it's all any of them ever knew, so it was just accepted behavior, but a couple of young women managed to escape, knew in their hearts that something was wrong with this picture. And were then told that their mother would suffer the consequences of their behavior, told she would be beaten daily. They haven't seen their mother in 8 years. Though they haven't given up.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: AUSTRALIA-- fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard.
The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named, was today sentenced in the SA District Court to eight and a half years jail after pleading guilty to seven counts each of incest and unlawful sexual intercourse.
The court heard that the man had sex with his daughters for nearly a decade from 1991 when they were aged 13 and 15 at the family property.
The sex took place at various locations including in a shearer's shed, a paddock, on the back of a ute and, on one occasion, at the girls' grandparents house.
The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture.
In sentencing, Judge David Lovell said the misrepresentation of scripture used to justify the abuse of the girls "defied belief", and that he had "hypocritically betrayed" his religion and principles.
"You said the acts were about learning about sex rather than engaging in the acts of sex," Judge Lovell said.
"I do not accept that.
"You treated your daughters as your property ... using them to satisfy and gratify your sexual urges."
Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and the church remained supportive.
The man will be eligible for parole in four years.
Nice huh ?
   
Do you have any central point you are trying to make here or just happened to run across this one and wanted to share?
Well JBF the offender was a fundamentallst church pastor who committed his terrible crimes using biblical scripture as his justification.
I suppose you could attach some kind of branching theme about the hypocrisy of religion if you were that way inclined, as Amy pointed out one of the more disturbing aspects of what was a terrible crime is the fact his church is standing by and supporting him regardless of the heinous nature of his crimes.
I agree it is heinous. Can you name any non-church members without hypocrisy? Your motive has been established. Thank you.
There is no motive.
The facts are a fundamentallist christian has committed vile acts of sexual abuse with his own daughters, using the biblical scripture for his justification for doing so, as anyone will tell you this is not an isolated incident.
That is why I include it in the Religious forums, a religious man citing his christian faith as a justifcation for raping both of his child daughters. I am not suggesting anything about fundamentalist christians and their sexual proclivities, I mention the case because of its shocking nature and the fact the offender is guilty of unthinkable sexual offences against his own children while using his faith as a defence instead of denying his disgusting crimes.
Thats all.
Perhaps some condemnation for his disgusting actions would be more appropriate ?
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I will condemn it, to its rotten core. These fundamentalist sects, usually Biblical literalist, are not Christian. However, being Christian is NO excuse for such amoral behavior. I hope all who behave this way are severely punished on earth and that they burn in hell for an eternity of eternities!
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Anomaly:
"JBF, the offender admitted that his actions were int the name of his faith and he was following instructions from the bible. It's one of many examples of criminal acts attempting to be justified by religious belief and vague religious texts.
Of course, an atheist can commit horrific crimes, but an atheist will never commit a crime in the name of 'atheism'."
FGP: Anomaly, there are just as many "screwed up" people who claim to be religious as not! Just because a person does a horrible act and "says" their religious doesn't mean a thing. The part that is confusing to me is that the others are supporting him. I can only assume that's because they ARE in fact religious, and therefore forgive and let God handle it. Who knows! I sure wouldn't assume this man truly was a Christian..............
I think there's a more disturbing possibility: There's a chance the others are supporting him because that is what they believe. It's possible (although I would have to hear their rationale, of course) that they don't even think there's anything to forgive.
Very rarely will you go wrong overestimating people's ability to be evil bastards.
Now that's a sick thought! That could mean their ALL doing it! I'd sure rather think my way on this..................
I would, too, FGP. But you've gotta wonder about a woman whose chldren are molested for 10 years forgiving her husband for the act. It's a hell of a lot easier cognitively for me to believe that she knew all about it. And the fact that the "flock" isn't recoiling in horror says volumes, too, I think.
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Anomaly:
"JBF, the offender admitted that his actions were int the name of his faith and he was following instructions from the bible. It's one of many examples of criminal acts attempting to be justified by religious belief and vague religious texts.
Of course, an atheist can commit horrific crimes, but an atheist will never commit a crime in the name of 'atheism'."
FGP: Anomaly, there are just as many "screwed up" people who claim to be religious as not! Just because a person does a horrible act and "says" their religious doesn't mean a thing. The part that is confusing to me is that the others are supporting him. I can only assume that's because they ARE in fact religious, and therefore forgive and let God handle it. Who knows! I sure wouldn't assume this man truly was a Christian..............
I think there's a more disturbing possibility: There's a chance the others are supporting him because that is what they believe. It's possible (although I would have to hear their rationale, of course) that they don't even think there's anything to forgive.
Very rarely will you go wrong overestimating people's ability to be evil bastards.
Now that's a sick thought! That could mean their ALL doing it! I'd sure rather think my way on this..................
I would, too, FGP. But you've gotta wonder about a woman whose chldren are molested for 10 years forgiving her husband for the act. It's a hell of a lot easier cognitively for me to believe that she knew all about it. And the fact that the "flock" isn't recoiling in horror says volumes, too, I think.
The big question is...what are they going to do about the others? Is anyone going to investigate this so called religion? Just think of how many kids could be involved here!
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Posted: 02:06 am |
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote:
I would, too, FGP. But you've gotta wonder about a woman whose chldren are molested for 10 years forgiving her husband for the act. It's a hell of a lot easier cognitively for me to believe that she knew all about it. And the fact that the "flock" isn't recoiling in horror says volumes, too, I think.
The big question is...what are they going to do about the others? Is anyone going to investigate this so called religion? Just think of how many kids could be involved here!
I'm with y'all there---
I'd bet that that IS what they meant by 'support' ---- she HAD to have known... and allowed it without going to the law, because SHE TOO thought that was just fine by the Bible...
We have some of that patriarchal type around here too...
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Anomaly wrote: foxglovepress wrote:
Anomaly:
"JBF, the offender admitted that his actions were int the name of his faith and he was following instructions from the bible. It's one of many examples of criminal acts attempting to be justified by religious belief and vague religious texts.
Of course, an atheist can commit horrific crimes, but an atheist will never commit a crime in the name of 'atheism'."
FGP: Anomaly, there are just as many "screwed up" people who claim to be religious as not! Just because a person does a horrible act and "says" their religious doesn't mean a thing. The part that is confusing to me is that the others are supporting him. I can only assume that's because they ARE in fact religious, and therefore forgive and let God handle it. Who knows! I sure wouldn't assume this man truly was a Christian..............
FGP, you are right, there are just as many screwed up people who claim to be religious or not, religion will not fix your head, thats for certain. It does make for a great cop-out though.
Besides, it's not that he "claimed' to be religious that is the disturbing part, it's - as I said - because he claims his actions were "as dictated in the scripture".
Happens all the time. The only difference is... when Muslims kill the infidels (Jews, Christians and those who do not submit to Allah) they are following thier religious texts. This guy just had it wrong and is a whacko. No interpretation needed for the Quran on the killing of infidels.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Happens all the time. The only difference is... when Muslims kill the infidels (Jews, Christians and those who do not submit to Allah) they are following thier religious texts. This guy just had it wrong and is a whacko. No interpretation needed for the Quran on the killing of infidels.
If that's true then explain why every single Muslim in the world hasn't killed six Christians and Jews each just this week alone?
There's 2.5 BILLION Muslims --- if only 20% of that number were obedient to what you say the Quran teaches (I'll forgive the fact that you don't read Arabic and have NO idea what the Qur'an says for certain)
if only 20% were obedient only 50% of the time --- the population of the world would drop by over 300 MILLION in ONE YEAR alone....
But strangely enough, a VERY large number of Muslims say that the Quran does NOT say that all non-believers must be killed (without greatly twisting the verses out of context)
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Happens all the time. The only difference is... when Muslims kill the infidels (Jews, Christians and those who do not submit to Allah) they are following thier religious texts. This guy just had it wrong and is a whacko. No interpretation needed for the Quran on the killing of infidels.
If that's true then explain why every single Muslim in the world hasn't killed six Christians and Jews each just this week alone?
There's 2.5 BILLION Muslims --- if only 20% of that number were obedient to what you say the Quran teaches (I'll forgive the fact that you don't read Arabic and have NO idea what the Qur'an says for certain)
if only 20% were obedient only 50% of the time --- the population of the world would drop by over 300 MILLION in ONE YEAR alone....
But strangely enough, a VERY large number of Muslims say that the Quran does NOT say that all non-believers must be killed (without greatly twisting the verses out of context)
I am glad that very few Muslims are obedient to the Quran. Arn't you?
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foxglovepress wrote: If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
The Old Testament instructed and sanctioned people to kill kids - including their own - for all sorts of reasons that seem absurd today.
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24HourNut wrote: foxglovepress wrote: If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
The Old Testament instructed and sanctioned people to kill kids - including their own - for all sorts of reasons that seem absurd today.
The Quran instructs followers to kill the (infidels) -those who do not believe that Allah is the only God and Muhammud his prophet. Does Jesus teach to kill kids Frank? Does Jesus say to kill your enemy or to love your enemies? When are you going to quote the Son of God intead of the Jewish Mosaic written laws and customs that pre-date Christ's 1st coming?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote: foxglovepress wrote: If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
The Old Testament instructed and sanctioned people to kill kids - including their own - for all sorts of reasons that seem absurd today.
The Quran instructs followers to kill the (infidels) -those who do not believe that Allah is the only God and Muhammud his prophet. Does Jesus teach to kill kids Frank? Does Jesus say to kill your enemy or to love your enemies? When are you going to quote the Son of God intead of the Jewish Mosaic written laws and customs that pre-date Christ's 1st coming?
I was referring to the Old Testament - where the 10 Commandments came from. In there, God instructs people to kill infidels and kids for all sorts of reasons obscene by today's standards. Was the source material of the 10 Commandments too irrelevant or something for me to use here?
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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote: foxglovepress wrote: If some religion told me to jump off a bridge, I doubt I'd stick with that religion very long.................... It has to feel right, you know?
The Old Testament instructed and sanctioned people to kill kids - including their own - for all sorts of reasons that seem absurd today.
The Quran instructs followers to kill the (infidels) -those who do not believe that Allah is the only God and Muhammud his prophet. Does Jesus teach to kill kids Frank? Does Jesus say to kill your enemy or to love your enemies? When are you going to quote the Son of God intead of the Jewish Mosaic written laws and customs that pre-date Christ's 1st coming?
I was referring to the Old Testament - where the 10 Commandments came from. In there, God instructs people to kill infidels and kids for all sorts of reasons obscene by today's standards. Was the source material of the 10 Commandments too irrelevant or something for me to use here?
The bible has a beginning-middle-and end. God gave us Genesis all the way to the final Revelation of Jesus Christ. Constantly quoting Old Testament verses that are Jewish in heritage and show the terribly harsh, violent and often odd history of those times is your choice. I prefer instead of the Law as given by Moses to Israel the law of love and grace as given by the Messiah. It's revelant, but a small segment of history and timeline.
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