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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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Most Christians and many other religious faiths say that Hell is forever. Forever would be for an infinite amount of time into the future, to be more precise an uncountable infinity of time, probably  (Aleph-null, the infinity associated with natural numbers), rather than the smallest infinity ? . However, larger infinities exist, such as  , and  (higher cardinality of infinities). New cosmologies point toward not just a universe, but rather the multiverse - uncountable infinities of universes existing and dying in uncountable infinities of different times - and their cardinality could be the size of a VERY large Aleph infinity (or even an Aleph-infinity of Aleph-infinities ) ! But the Bible doesn't refer to these infinities and gives us no guidence, IMO. So, will the evil ones burn in Hell for a simple ?, really a very small number compared with even the small Aleph-infinities, or will they burn and have their intestines roasted and their eyes gouged out repeatedly for an Aleph-infinity, and if so, which one?Also, if some sinner were condemned to Hell in 1432 and another sinner were condemned to Hell today for the same sin, wouldn't it be unfair for the person condemned in 1432, because they are serving a longer sentence, having their guts slowly roasted and their hair pulled out, for the same sin - is this just? If Biblical literalits can't answer these simple questions about Hell definitively and with absolute certain biblical references, then it is obvious to me that they (literalists  ) are not true Christians, and are most likely agents of Satan sent to Earth to confuse the weaker faithful and lead them into eternal torment, heh.<obvious>  For reference purposes only - not approved by any canon lawyer: Aleph-null Aleph-null ( ) is by definition the cardinality of the set of all natural numbers, and (assuming, as usual, the axiom of choice) is the smallest of all infinite cardinalities. A set has cardinality if and only if it is countably infinite, which is the case if and only if it can be put into a direct bijection, or "one-to-one correspondence", with the natural numbers. Such sets include the set of all prime numbers, the set of all integers and the set of all rational numbers.ordinal numbers, called ?1 or ?. Note that this ?1 is itself an ordinal number larger than all countable ones, so it is an uncountable set. Therefore is distinct from . The definition of implies (in ZF, Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory without the axiom of choice) that no cardinal number is between and . If the axiom of choice (AC) is used, it can be further proved that the class of cardinal numbers is totally ordered, and thus is the second-smallest infinite cardinal number. Using AC we can show one of the most useful properties of the set ? (the standard example of a set of size ): any countable subset of ? has an upper bound (with respect to the standard well-ordering of ordinals) in ? (the proof is easy: a countable union of countable sets is countable; this is one of the most common applications of AC). This fact is analogous to the situation in : any finite set of natural numbers (subset of ?) has a maximum which is also a natural number (has an upper bound in ?) — finite unions of finite sets are finite.? is actually a useful concept, if somewhat exotic-sounding. An example application is "closing" with respect to countable operations; e.g., trying to explicitly describe the ?-algebra generated by an arbitrary collection of subsets. This is harder than most explicit descriptions of "generation" in algebra (for example vector spaces, groups, etc.) because in those cases we only have to close with respect to finite operations — sums, products, and the like. The process involves defining, for each countable ordinal, via transfinite induction, a set by "throwing in" all possible countable unions and complements, and taking the union of all that over all of ?. Last edited on 01:56 pm by Impedimentus |
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 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Impedimentus wrote:
 All you and I have is the bible verses regarding Hell. We have access to the same book.  If you want to speculate or add to those texts be my guest. What God has shared about this place of torment is what He has shared. Have fun with your thread.  PS What does "everlasting" mean? (See: Matthew 25:46) Last edited on 02:06 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut Administrator  aka Frank
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The topic asks about believing in Hell. I don't believe in Hell - it is so obviously a man-made and archaic construction. The whole idea that if one doesn't believe a particular faith (e.g. saved by Jesus) they will be punished and deprived in an afterlife, is absurd.
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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24HourNut wrote: absurd. Do you believe in a countable ( ) or uncountable () number of absurdities?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member
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24HourNut wrote: The topic asks about believing in Hell. I don't believe in Hell - it is so obviously a man-made and archaic construction. The whole idea that if one doesn't believe a particular faith (e.g. saved by Jesus) they will be punished and deprived in an afterlife, is absurd. I see no question in the topic regarding if one does or doesn't believe in hell other than the header. I do see an attempt to understand the duration of time in hell in the paragraph. Last edited on 02:18 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:The topic asks about believing in Hell. I don't believe in Hell - it is so obviously a man-made and archaic construction. The whole idea that if one doesn't believe a particular faith (e.g. saved by Jesus) they will be punished and deprived in an afterlife, is absurd. The topic is called " If you believe in a Hell, how long is the stay there?" I don't believe in Hell, explained why, so there is no stay there. 
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Impedimentus wrote: 24HourNut wrote:absurd. I am not sure so I would take your advice on that one! 
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Impedimentus wrote:
Great point!!!Do you believe in Hell, Slug?
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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24HourNut wrote: Impedimentus wrote: Every Monday morning (except holidays).
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Heh.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Heretic
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Impedimentus wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Impedimentus wrote: An answer I can agree with! 
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1jester Pioneer100© Member  Pilgrim Sojourner
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The effect of being thrown into the lake of fire will be forever (you'll be toasted good and crispy, and won't be found thereafter). The fire itself won't last forever, however; it is a momentary point in time after God judges the world and carries out judgement on all sinners.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. -Matthew 22:37-39 |
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1jester wrote: The effect of being thrown into the lake of fire will be forever (you'll be toasted good and crispy, and won't be found thereafter). The fire itself won't last forever, however; it is a momentary point in time after God judges the world and carries out judgement on all sinners. 
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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1jester wrote: The effect of being thrown into the lake of fire will be forever (you'll be toasted good and crispy, and won't be found thereafter). The fire itself won't last forever, however; it is a momentary point in time after God judges the world and carries out judgement on all sinners. Your irrational fear of imaginary realms nourishes me. 
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