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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Searching The Hearts Of Man
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cynicalninja wrote: heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us, Above us, only sky.I wonder if John would if he could like to try again on that quote?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us, Above us, only sky.
John Lennon I wonder if John would if he could like to try again on that quote? Man, there is something BADLY wrong with the posting code on the site lately -- I've never SEEN so many threads full of weird space, punctuation in the middle of nowhere, weird graphics hanging out.. And it's happening in multiple threads to so many people who've posted for so long, I cannot imagine that it's all suddenly how we are doing our posts--- we haven't _all_ suddenly been transformed into a bunch of posting rookies!!! Anyhow--- I suspect that Lennon has now realised that the Kingdom of God does not HAVE "names" in it, and there are no "Christians" or "Baha'is" or "Muslims" or "saved" ----- there are but the children of God whom He loves and treasures... And I suspect he knows also that there are MANY people there who never HAD a religion -- but lived their lives according to the plan that God had for them, therefore they have been given his Mercy -- because they lived and died thousands upon thousands of years before the words "Jesus Christ" were ever uttered upon the planet anywhere... and yet they were not damned to hell by a merciless wrathful God who was ONLY going to accept those lucky enough to have been "washed in the blood of the Lamb" while on earth!
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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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Interesting how some people oppose religion with the intensity of a religious zealot, heh. <intensity of a religious zealot>  Last edited on 01:26 am by Impedimentus |
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Impedimentus wrote: Interesting how some people oppose religion with the intensity of a religious zealot, heh. I am not a zealot, I am just another souless spiritualess human being in search of world peace don't mind me !
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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cynicalninja wrote: Impedimentus wrote:Interesting how some people oppose religion with the intensity of a religious zealot, heh. I don't mind you - the post was just a simple observation from a stinky, stupid, crazy old slug, heh, heh. <stinky, stupid, crazy>
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kept Guardian1000© Member
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There are some awesome comments on this topic. I have to agree that there is no such thing as a sadistic God whom hungers to torment folks that didnt pronounce His name just right, or get smart enough to choose Him when He says noone can come to Him except He draw them. Also the scripture makes a point to say Jesus Christ will draw, as that word means to drag, ALL men unto Himself. I have no doubt God is a good God and has a plan for All His creation! kept
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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sirlamre wrote: <br /> <br /> <br /> JustifiedByFaith wrote:Jesus said regarding hell..." Where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."Hell according to Jesus is a place where there is a fire that will never be quenched. So is Lennon with the Rich Man or Lazarus sirlamre and why?cynicalninja wrote:<br />heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us, Above us, only sky. <br />
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kept Guardian1000© Member
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Hi justified, How are ya? Have you really studied the word hell? Gehenna is the place Jesus referred to time and again in his teachings. The jews were very familiar with the term, and it was in reference to the garbage dump outside the city. Where the unclean would be cast rather than having a proper burial. If the parable of the rich man and lazarus is about eternal torment then all it takes to make sure you are not in torment is to become poor. Give it all away. If its about works then salvation is not of grace. In reality we know salvation is of grace, so what is that parable about? Certainly not eternal torment, but rather about the works that the jews were so proud of. Religion had taken the place of relationship. just my two cents also the word hell more often than not refers to the place of the unseen. And not to a place of eternal torment. Personally I do not believe in eternal torment as you can probably tell by my post. For some great information on the word hell in our bibles, I would suggest Tentmaker.org. 'What the hell is hell' is a great very informative page. kept
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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kept wrote: Hi justified, Hi kept, #1. The rich man was in Hades. This is not a Gehenna parable reference as you mentioned. #2. The garbage dump outside of the city of Jerusalem is correct but is a symbolic reference to Hades-Greek, Sheol-Hebrew, Latin-Infernus and the rich man was "in anguish in this flame" in Hades=Hell. Jesus said that at this place the, "Worm does not die and the flame is not quenched". It's forever. The bible is clear that it is a place of "eternal torment". It doesn't matter kept what we believe because the bible is clear that hell is a place of "eternal torment". Jesus said regarding the lost that "...these will go away into everlasting punishment." Matthew 25:46 #3. Salvation is of grace and not of works as you correctly stated. The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus did not teach works/salvation but it clearly shows a soul in Hades and another in Abrahams bosom and points out that is it not a state of unconciousness but a real place and all senses are engaged there. It's reality. The separation is eternal... and the soul cannot transfer from one location to the other. 
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kept Guardian1000© Member
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Hi again, Yes I agree that the parable was not about gehenna but hades, however, most orthodox scholars do concede that hades and sheol both can not mean a place of eternal torment, rather they mean the place of the unseen, or grave. That leaves gehenna and why I mentioned it. Which is translated hell in many of our bibles. However, even that word about a literal place outside the city of Jerusalem where the false god Molech was and the sacrificing of children to him took place. Interestingly enough, when the 'sons of thunder' wanted to call down fire on some folks, what did Jesus say? Also, if eternal torment is real, you would think it would be in the old testament. However, it is not, not in ONE place. Also if it was so important why was Adam and Eve not warned of eternal torment in hell? Why was the punishment for sin, death and not eternal torment? Also, when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire and the bible says there will be NO more death, what happens to sin, death and hell? The only real way for there to be no more death is for there to only be LIFE. Also, if God tells us to forgive our enemies do we really want to believe we are more forgiving than God? Why ask us to do what He wont? And if we only forgive those that love us then we are no better than tax collectors. Collecting some tax, something owed to us. Would God not do the same? I really dont enjoy debating, especially about the things of God, and dont want you to think that is what I want to do at all. I am comfortable with you believing what you do and me believing different and dont feel I have to convince you differently. Just sharing my own journey, having believed in eternal torment for the first 23 years of my christian walk. kept
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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kept wrote:
I love apologetics, but also understand that some don't. It is my job as a church elder to engage others in doctrine and share with them " ...the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 3 Take care kept. 
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TY I love a good discussion and even apologetics to some degree, just shy away from heavy debating. thanks for the convo Just kept
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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The bible teaches that hell is a place of "eternal torment". It's not a thought or allegory but a "real place". Matthew 23:33, 25:41, 45; Revelation 20:14.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Scientists once tried to get a catatonic to speak. They tried everything, electric shock, hunger, thirst, pain, nothing worked. Finally, they put him in a hotbox and turned up the heat. When it reached 125 degrees he said, "Get me the Hell out of here!" That is what Hell is. It's God's final try to reach sinners. If nothing else will get people to hate evil and renounce the Devil, Hell will. If not, it was still worth the try. BTW.. Dante in his vision of the Inferno was guided by the Angel Virgil. Besides being astounded that a part of Hell was already frozen over, (the bolgia of the traitors, frozen at a depth appropriate for their crime. They are those who turned against those who trusted them. They have it the worst of all, their eyes frozen open, unable to cry.)he found that there was a way out of Hell. Once a soul had learned enough about evil to hate it and love good, he could leave Hell by climbing down Lucifer's legs to the bottom where a tunnel led thousands of miles up to Paradise. Of course, he had to answer Satan's last probing question truthfully. A question that changed for each soul. Whether I believe Dante's vision implicitly or not, this version of Hell makes sense to me in the context of a Creator that loves His children and would do anything to help them find the right path. Don't all parents react the same way? Last edited on 03:56 am by Saint A^2 + B^2 = C^2 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The bible teaches that hell is a place of "eternal torment". It's not a thought or allegory but a "real place". You should really take what the Bible teaches with about a ton of salt since it also teaches a bunch of outdated, obviously embellished, archaic notions. It's also ridiculous to think that a loving God would punish people for all eternity in torment. Seriously, it's just plain ridiculous.
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