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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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berinwitness wrote: Impedimentus wrote:Do you claim to be Christian? The Christian Church decides. But why do you care, are you not comfortable with your faith?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Impedimentus wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Impedimentus wrote:berinwitness wrote:Impedimentus wrote:A few hours of your time reading history would answer all of your questions.  Nope, I'm not telling you something that I don't do myself. I just quote the bible. Your the one telling a Christian whom you don't know that he is not a Christian. Doctrinal issues are one thing, but for you too claim to know if I am one who is "born again" of the spirit or not is whole other issue. You tend to fit the definition of pharisee much better I think.  Last edited on 05:40 pm by JustifiedByFaith  Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Impedimentus wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Impedimentus wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Impedimentus wrote:berinwitness wrote:Impedimentus wrote:A few hours of your time reading history would answer all of your questions. Peace and universal love is the essence of all the Gospels. Forgive do I creatures all, and let all creatures forgive me. Jainist Prayer
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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Impedimentus wrote: berinwitness wrote:the point I'm trying to make here is - who decides who is, and is not, a Christian? Define "Christian Church". Based on your earlier posts, you mean the Orthodox Church, is that correct or incorrect? If the Orthodox Church alone has the right, the authority, and the wisdom to make such decisions, how can the rest of us figure out that the Church has the right / authority / wisdom? But why do you care, are you not comfortable with your faith? I'm perfectly comfortable with my non-Christian Faith. But if anyone wants to convert me they have to answer some questions. Such as "How do I know God agrees with what you are telling me?"
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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berinwitness wrote: Impedimentus wrote: You are really paranoid about people trying to convert you aren't you? I'm not trying to convert anyone. Your answers strongly imply that you are weak in your own faith. Perhaps you should seek counseling from others of your faith? I'm not going to reply to anymore of these silly posts. I've made it clear I'm not proselytizing and I'm not qualified nor do I care to deal with someone else's paranoia.
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Impedimentus wrote: I'm not going to reply to anymore of these silly posts. Does that mean you know perfectly well you have NO evidence whatsoever that the Orthodox Church is the only true Christian Church?
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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berinwitness wrote: Impedimentus wrote:I'm not going to reply to anymore of these silly posts. 
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Okay, here's my 2 cents worth: Somebody said 'One CANNOT be a true Christian and reject the Church.' Sorry, I'll have to disagree with that one. God is everywhere. He surrounds us, encompasses everything and is even inside us. You do not need to go to a given 'church' to attain eternal life. I don't remember the verse from memory, but in Revelations it says something like 'The Whore and all of her illegitimate daughters will fall'. I've always believed that this spoke of the Catholic church and all of the Protestant churches that were formed from it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that joining with other (like-minded) people to praise God was somehow twisted into you must attend a b&m church and follow all of it's rules. These were made by men, not God. And I believe that most people that attend church have their hearts in the right place, but have been misguided. I could be wrong. But, these are my beliefs. I also believe that God wants us to be strong, intelligent Christians, not the sheeple that most Christians seem to be. If someone challenges our beliefs publicly, we must stand our ground - shoulder to shoulder. I'm not looking forward to the martyr thing, but will do so if necessary. What will be interesting to see is how the long-time Christians will endure the coming Persecutions. It has already begun. I'd say 75% of the current church goers will tweak their belief systems to not 'rock the boat'. Plus, most people are scared shitless of being considered non-PC and would never do anything to affect their standing within society, work or amongst their friends. I'm afraid they've missed the point. Okay, this should stir things up a bit. I'll add more later.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Hmmm.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member  Witty clever title pending
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Ah, yes, yet another instance of a bunch of people (fallible humans, last I checked) claiming that their views are the be-all and end-all of all the right answers that anyone will ever need. Riiiiiiiiiiight. It's just like with every other religious question. People pick and choose what they are most comfortable believing, and then think that theirs is the only right way. And you wonder why we non-Christians look at you funny and think "whacked-out nutjob".
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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Erinna1112 wrote: Ah, yes, yet another instance of a bunch of people (fallible humans, last I checked) claiming that their views are the be-all and end-all of all the right answers that anyone will ever need. Riiiiiiiiiiight. I think you are jumping to conclusions based on your own prejudices? Being fallable I could be wrong, of course, it won't be the first time.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Impedimentus wrote: While there is sympathy among many in the Church for the plight of Protestants (removed from the True Church of Christ by historical and geographical accident), they can lay no claim to legitimacy. So I guess everyone is trying to understand Imp's defintion of the True Church Of Christ? Is it the Seven Ecumenical Councils in your opinion Imp?
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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Every one that seeks for proof of the truth of the Church, by that very act either shows his doubt, and excludes himself from the Church, or assumes the appearance of one who doubts and at the same time preserves a hope of proving the truth, and arriving at it by his own power of reason: but the powers of reason do not attain to the truth of God, and the weakness of man is made manifest by the weakness of his proofs. The man who takes Scripture only, and founds the Church on it alone, is in reality rejecting the Church, and is hoping to found her afresh by his own powers: the man who takes tradition and works only, and depreciates the importance of Scripture, is likewise in reality rejecting the Church, and constituting himself a judge of the Spirit of God, who spoke by the Scripture. For Christian knowledge is a matter, not of intellectual investigation, but of a living faith, which is a gift of grace. Scripture is external, an outward thing, and tradition is external, and works are external: that which is inward in them is the one Spirit of God. From tradition taken alone, or from scripture or from works, a man can but derive an external and incomplete knowledge, which may indeed in itself contain truth, for it starts from truth, but at the same time must of necessity be erroneous, inasmuch as it is incomplete. A believer knows the Truth, but an unbeliever does not know it, or at least only knows it with an external and imperfect knowledge. The Church does not prove herself either as Scripture or as tradition or as works, but bears witness to herself, just as the Spirit of God, dwelling in her, bears witness to Himself in the Scriptures. The Church does not ask: Which Scripture is true, which tradition is true, which Council is true, or what works are pleasing to God: for Christ knows His own inheritance, and the Church in which He lives knows by inward knowledge, and cannot help knowing, her own manifestations. The collection of Old and New Testament books, which the Church acknowledges as hers, are called by the name of Holy Scripture. But there are no limits to Scripture; for every writing which the Church acknowledges as hers is Holy Scripture. Such pre-eminently are the Creeds of the General Councils, and especially the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed. Wherefore, the writing of Holy Scripture has gone on up to our day, and, if God pleases, yet more will be written. But in the Church there has not been, nor ever will be, any contradictions, either in Scripture, or in tradition, or in works; for in all three is Christ, one and unchangeable. Historically By the Will of God the Holy Church, after the falling away of many schisms, and of the Roman Patriarchate, was preserved in the Greek Dioceses and Patriarchates, and only those communities can acknowledge one another as fully Christian which preserve their unity with the Eastern Patriarchates, or enter into this unity. For there is one God and one Church, and within her there is neither dissension nor disagreement. A.S. Khomiakov Ss. Cyril and Methodius  Last edited on 05:03 am by Impedimentus |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Impedimentus wrote:
Them opening points from Mr. Khomiakov is essentially another form of legalism. "Slavophilism" to make the statement that "the writing of the Holy Scripture has gone on up to our day, and, if ZGod pleases yet more will be written." ...is in of itself opening the doors for deception and false prophets! To not close the canon as we see in the scriptures and assume there may more coming is in of itself not of God. The bible says that God spoke in these last days thru His Son means that's it! It times past thru the prophets of old. Mr. Khomiakov has essentially endorsed the "Book of Mormon", Baha'u'llahs Doctrines, Islam, Jehovah's Witness and a host of many other groups who claim "Continuing Revelations".
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JBF wrote: Mr. Khomiakov has essentially endorsed the "Book of Mormon", Baha'u'llahs Doctrines, Islam, Jehovah's Witness and a host of many other groups who claim "Continuing Revelations". Nonsense JBF, even you can do better than that, geez. 
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