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Posted: 03:23 pm |
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Impedimentus wrote:
JBF wrote:
Mr. Khomiakov has essentially endorsed the "Book of Mormon", Baha'u'llahs Doctrines, Islam, Jehovah's Witness and a host of many other groups who claim "Continuing Revelations".
Nonsense JBF, even you can do better than that, geez.
"the writing of the Holy Scripture has gone on up to our day, and, if God pleases yet more will be written."
Quote: Mr. Khomiakov
Did God want and inspire the "Book of Mormon"? Did got want and inspire the Quran?How would you interpret his statement then imp? 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Posted: 06:33 pm |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Impedimentus wrote:
Did God want and inspire the "Book of Mormon"? Did got want and inspire the Quran?How would you interpret his statement then imp?
I have no idea who "got" is? One of your gods perhaps?
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Posted: 08:11 pm |
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Impedimentus wrote:
Did God want and inspire the "Book of Mormon"? Did got want and inspire the Quran?How would you interpret his statement then imp?
I have no idea who "got" is? One of your gods perhaps?
sirlamre wrote:
Yup... Gonna be a good thread watching Imp be logical and JBF struggle with that...
When can I expect this to happen sirlamre?
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Posted: 09:10 pm |
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Claiming legitimacy through belief in the Bible is nonsensical because the Bible is a product of the True Church, defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils – this is historical fact and no Bible-quoting arguments can change this fact.
I don't completely agree with your premise. The canon of Scripture was indeed given the stamp of approval by the Church through the councils. However, their weeding out the words of man from the word of God does not thereby make the Bible a "product" of the church. God produced Scripture through human writers, but neither the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, or anyone else who lays claim to being the true church wrote the Bible. If one with the claim of being the one true church were to deem Paul's epistle to the Romans to no longer be scriptural, it would not change the truth of God's word one wit.
The ecumenical councils weeded unscriptural works from scriptural ones in order to establish what we now know as the canon, but they do not have authority over it. So then, those who follow the teachings of Scripture as revealed through the gospel of Jesus Christ, affirm the Lord's Supper, and baptize as instructed by Christ can lay claim to being part of his church. Certainly it behooves them to have a confession of faith so others can understand what they affirm and deny. As soon as any institution denies salvation through Jesus Christ on account of his perfect life and sacrificial death on the cross, it is no longer part of his true church. In other words, it's adherence to the truth of Christianity that makes a church Christian, not claims to apostolic succession, visions, appearances by the Virgin Mary, or anything else.
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Posted: 04:49 am |
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Impedimentus wrote: While there is sympathy among many in the Church for the plight of Protestants (removed from the True Church of Christ by historical and geographical accident), they can lay no claim to legitimacy.
Is this according to the Church of Khomiakov's theological ideas?
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Posted: 01:24 pm |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Is this according to the Church of Khomiakov's theological ideas?
Of course not, it's based on historical fact, something I'm sure you would never want to trouble your mind with.
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Posted: 03:21 pm |
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Is this according to the Church of Khomiakov's theological ideas?
Of course not, it's based on historical fact, something I'm sure you would never want to trouble your mind with.
The church began as Peter preached the first Gospel Message as told in the book of Acts. 3000 souls received his word that day and then we read in the bible that the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved. Jesus has been given all authority in heaven and earth and He is the head of the church.
The Church isn't a building or a denomination of people or a special organization or some social institution of men with long beards.
Those who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ (Gal 3:27). We who have accepted Jesus are the church and members regardless of past agreements or man-made doctrines or customs or so called previously made formal decisions.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
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Posted: 03:25 am |
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shirohniichan wrote: Claiming legitimacy through belief in the Bible is nonsensical because the Bible is a product of the True Church, defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils – this is historical fact and no Bible-quoting arguments can change this fact.
I don't completely agree with your premise. The canon of Scripture was indeed given the stamp of approval by the Church through the councils. However, their weeding out the words of man from the word of God does not thereby make the Bible a "product" of the church. God produced Scripture through human writers, but neither the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, or anyone else who lays claim to being the true church wrote the Bible. If one with the claim of being the one true church were to deem Paul's epistle to the Romans to no longer be scriptural, it would not change the truth of God's word one wit.
The ecumenical councils weeded unscriptural works from scriptural ones in order to establish what we now know as the canon, but they do not have authority over it. So then, those who follow the teachings of Scripture as revealed through the gospel of Jesus Christ, affirm the Lord's Supper, and baptize as instructed by Christ can lay claim to being part of his church. Certainly it behooves them to have a confession of faith so others can understand what they affirm and deny. As soon as any institution denies salvation through Jesus Christ on account of his perfect life and sacrificial death on the cross, it is no longer part of his true church. In other words, it's adherence to the truth of Christianity that makes a church Christian, not claims to apostolic succession, visions, appearances by the Virgin Mary, or anything else.
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Posted: 04:23 am |
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DesertRat wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Claiming legitimacy through belief in the Bible is nonsensical because the Bible is a product of the True Church, defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils – this is historical fact and no Bible-quoting arguments can change this fact.
I don't completely agree with your premise. The canon of Scripture was indeed given the stamp of approval by the Church through the councils. However, their weeding out the words of man from the word of God does not thereby make the Bible a "product" of the church. God produced Scripture through human writers, but neither the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, or anyone else who lays claim to being the true church wrote the Bible. If one with the claim of being the one true church were to deem Paul's epistle to the Romans to no longer be scriptural, it would not change the truth of God's word one wit.
The ecumenical councils weeded unscriptural works from scriptural ones in order to establish what we now know as the canon, but they do not have authority over it. So then, those who follow the teachings of Scripture as revealed through the gospel of Jesus Christ, affirm the Lord's Supper, and baptize as instructed by Christ can lay claim to being part of his church. Certainly it behooves them to have a confession of faith so others can understand what they affirm and deny. As soon as any institution denies salvation through Jesus Christ on account of his perfect life and sacrificial death on the cross, it is no longer part of his true church. In other words, it's adherence to the truth of Christianity that makes a church Christian, not claims to apostolic succession, visions, appearances by the Virgin Mary, or anything else.
Ditto
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Posted: 08:30 am |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: DesertRat wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Claiming legitimacy through belief in the Bible is nonsensical because the Bible is a product of the True Church, defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils – this is historical fact and no Bible-quoting arguments can change this fact.
I don't completely agree with your premise. The canon of Scripture was indeed given the stamp of approval by the Church through the councils. However, their weeding out the words of man from the word of God does not thereby make the Bible a "product" of the church. God produced Scripture through human writers, but neither the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, or anyone else who lays claim to being the true church wrote the Bible. If one with the claim of being the one true church were to deem Paul's epistle to the Romans to no longer be scriptural, it would not change the truth of God's word one wit.
The ecumenical councils weeded unscriptural works from scriptural ones in order to establish what we now know as the canon, but they do not have authority over it. So then, those who follow the teachings of Scripture as revealed through the gospel of Jesus Christ, affirm the Lord's Supper, and baptize as instructed by Christ can lay claim to being part of his church. Certainly it behooves them to have a confession of faith so others can understand what they affirm and deny. As soon as any institution denies salvation through Jesus Christ on account of his perfect life and sacrificial death on the cross, it is no longer part of his true church. In other words, it's adherence to the truth of Christianity that makes a church Christian, not claims to apostolic succession, visions, appearances by the Virgin Mary, or anything else.
Ditto
Very politically correct, heh, heh.
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Posted: 04:14 pm |
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: DesertRat wrote: shirohniichan wrote: Claiming legitimacy through belief in the Bible is nonsensical because the Bible is a product of the True Church, defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils – this is historical fact and no Bible-quoting arguments can change this fact.
I don't completely agree with your premise. The canon of Scripture was indeed given the stamp of approval by the Church through the councils. However, their weeding out the words of man from the word of God does not thereby make the Bible a "product" of the church. God produced Scripture through human writers, but neither the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, or anyone else who lays claim to being the true church wrote the Bible. If one with the claim of being the one true church were to deem Paul's epistle to the Romans to no longer be scriptural, it would not change the truth of God's word one wit.
The ecumenical councils weeded unscriptural works from scriptural ones in order to establish what we now know as the canon, but they do not have authority over it. So then, those who follow the teachings of Scripture as revealed through the gospel of Jesus Christ, affirm the Lord's Supper, and baptize as instructed by Christ can lay claim to being part of his church. Certainly it behooves them to have a confession of faith so others can understand what they affirm and deny. As soon as any institution denies salvation through Jesus Christ on account of his perfect life and sacrificial death on the cross, it is no longer part of his true church. In other words, it's adherence to the truth of Christianity that makes a church Christian, not claims to apostolic succession, visions, appearances by the Virgin Mary, or anything else.
Ditto
Very politically correct, heh, heh.
I just find it to be correct. 
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