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The Bahai`s  and the followers of Maitreya are one and the same religion really, only on a certain level though, they believe in the 1000 years of peace fortold in The Revelation.

 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

20:2  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

20:3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

 

Though the Greatest Sign the world will be united. The Bahai Faith is part of the Greatest Sign, and within the prophecies of Baha there is mention of the Third Letter.  You remember that Hidden Word:


"77. O SON OF JUSTICE!
In the night-season the beauty of the immortal Being hath repaired from the emerald height of fidelity unto the Sadratu'l-Muntahá, and wept with such a weeping that the concourse on high and the dwellers of the realms above wailed at His lamenting. Whereupon there was asked, Why the wailing and weeping? He made reply: As bidden I waited expectant upon the hill of faithfulness, yet inhaled not from them that dwell on earth the fragrance of fidelity. Then summoned to return I beheld, and lo! certain doves of holiness were sore tried within the claws of the dogs of earth. Thereupon the Maid of heaven hastened forth unveiled and resplendent from Her mystic mansion, and asked of their names, and all were told but one. And when urged, the first letter thereof was uttered, whereupon the dwellers of the celestial chambers rushed forth out of their habitation of glory. And whilst the second letter was pronounced they fell down, one and all, upon the dust. At that moment a voice was heard from the inmost shrine: "Thus far and no farther." Verily We bear witness to that which they have done and now are doing. "


 

The Three Letters is not something that Bahaullah himself thought-up completly alone. God inspired Bahaullah to write the above Hidden Word, but the Letters themselves is of Islamic prophecy and tradition and represent by name the following: Mahdi, Esa, and Mohammad.

This is the time of the Seventh Angel. Bahais do say that Bahaullah is the Seventh Angel. Bahaullah as the Seventh Angel doesn`t work, at least as far as I have been talking to Bahais about this topic. "when does the 1000 years start?, 1844, 1863, 1963,", the Bahais have been telling me, "it must start here:1863", seems to be popular among the Bahais I have talked to, however, they have forgotten to put all this talk together and, "think about it", about The Revelation, because what they are saying is that we are already into the 1000 years for 200 years,  there is only about 800 years left, and the first 200 years,  earth has had two world wars, doesn`t sound like peace to me. In this case of course people are suppost to enter the Bahai religion in, 'troops',  'entry by troops', or all of a sudden everyone will see the teachings of Bahaullah as God`s teachings and will join the Bahai Faith and become a Bahai and 1000 years of peace on earth will start; that sounds good, the Mission of Maitreya is thinking the same thing, except it is, "they who mourn", from Mathrew who will enter the teachings of God, and are a majority of the people on earth who want rightousness.

.  Ok, maybe I solved this for you: the 1000 years cannot start at the time Bahais have been telling me because 200 years has already passed without any peace whatsoever.

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quottos wrote: The Bahai`s  and the followers of Maitreya are one and the same religion really, only on a certain level though, they believe in the 1000 years of peace fortold in The Revelation.

 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

20:2  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

20:3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

 

Though the Greatest Sign the world will be united. The Bahai Faith is part of the Greatest Sign, and within the prophecies of Baha there is mention of the Third Letter.  You remember that Hidden Word:


"77. O SON OF JUSTICE!
In the night-season the beauty of the immortal Being hath repaired from the emerald height of fidelity unto the Sadratu'l-Muntahá, and wept with such a weeping that the concourse on high and the dwellers of the realms above wailed at His lamenting. Whereupon there was asked, Why the wailing and weeping? He made reply: As bidden I waited expectant upon the hill of faithfulness, yet inhaled not from them that dwell on earth the fragrance of fidelity. Then summoned to return I beheld, and lo! certain doves of holiness were sore tried within the claws of the dogs of earth. Thereupon the Maid of heaven hastened forth unveiled and resplendent from Her mystic mansion, and asked of their names, and all were told but one. And when urged, the first letter thereof was uttered, whereupon the dwellers of the celestial chambers rushed forth out of their habitation of glory. And whilst the second letter was pronounced they fell down, one and all, upon the dust. At that moment a voice was heard from the inmost shrine: "Thus far and no farther." Verily We bear witness to that which they have done and now are doing. "


 

The Three Letters is not something that Bahaullah himself thought-up completly alone. God inspired Bahaullah to write the above Hidden Word, but the Letters themselves is of Islamic prophecy and tradition and represent by name the following: Mahdi, Esa, and Mohammad.

This is the time of the Seventh Angel. Bahais do say that Bahaullah is the Seventh Angel. Bahaullah as the Seventh Angel doesn`t work, at least as far as I have been talking to Bahais about this topic. "when does the 1000 years start?, 1844, 1863, 1963,", the Bahais have been telling me, "it must start here:1863", seems to be popular among the Bahais I have talked to, however, they have forgotten to put all this talk together and, "think about it", about The Revelation, because what they are saying is that we are already into the 1000 years for 200 years,  there is only about 800 years left, and the first 200 years,  earth has had two world wars, doesn`t sound like peace to me. In this case of course people are suppost to enter the Bahai religion in, 'troops',  'entry by troops', or all of a sudden everyone will see the teachings of Bahaullah as God`s teachings and will join the Bahai Faith and become a Bahai and 1000 years of peace on earth will start; that sounds good, the Mission of Maitreya is thinking the same thing, except it is, "they who mourn", from Mathrew who will enter the teachings of God, and are a majority of the people on earth who want rightousness.

.  Ok, maybe I solved this for you: the 1000 years cannot start at the time Bahais have been telling me because 200 years has already passed without any peace whatsoever.

have fun

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Actually, since your quoting the bible:littleangel:... the 1000 years cannot start until the 7 year Great Tribulation begins as told in the book of Daniel, Jesus Himself in Matthew  Chapter 24 and it's completion when Jesus returns as told in Revelation Chapter 19 to punish those who have destroyed Israel and have rejected the everlasting gospel to then separate the Sheep- "Tribulation Saints" from the Goats-"Non Believers" and send those who have rejected the gospel to await final Judgement after the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ on earth.




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quottos wrote:  "when does the 1000 years start?, 1844, 1863, 1963,", the Bahais have been telling me, "it must start here:1863", seems to be popular among the Bahais I have talked to, however, they have forgotten to put all this talk together and, "think about it", about The Revelation, because what they are saying is that we are already into the 1000 years for 200 years,  there is only about 800 years left, and the first 200 years,  earth has had two world wars, doesn`t sound like peace to me. In this case of course people are suppost to enter the Bahai religion in, 'troops',  'entry by troops', or all of a sudden everyone will see the teachings of Bahaullah as God`s teachings and will join the Bahai Faith and become a Bahai and 1000 years of peace on earth will start; that sounds good, the Mission of Maitreya is thinking the same thing, except it is, "they who mourn", from Mathrew who will enter the teachings of God, and are a majority of the people on earth who want rightousness.

.  Ok, maybe I solved this for you: the 1000 years cannot start at the time Bahais have been telling me because 200 years has already passed without any peace whatsoever.


 

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berinwitness wrote: quottos wrote:  "when does the 1000 years start?, 1844, 1863, 1963,", the Bahais have been telling me, "it must start here:1863", seems to be popular among the Bahais I have talked to, however, they have forgotten to put all this talk together and, "think about it", about The Revelation, because what they are saying is that we are already into the 1000 years for 200 years,  there is only about 800 years left, and the first 200 years,  earth has had two world wars, doesn`t sound like peace to me. In this case of course people are suppost to enter the Bahai religion in, 'troops',  'entry by troops', or all of a sudden everyone will see the teachings of Bahaullah as God`s teachings and will join the Bahai Faith and become a Bahai and 1000 years of peace on earth will start; that sounds good, the Mission of Maitreya is thinking the same thing, except it is, "they who mourn", from Mathrew who will enter the teachings of God, and are a majority of the people on earth who want rightousness.

.  Ok, maybe I solved this for you: the 1000 years cannot start at the time Bahais have been telling me because 200 years has already passed without any peace whatsoever.


 

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Okay, I'm confused! :blink:  Personally............I think we've already had the years of PEACE!   Back when families were important!  Sundays in Church were a family thing!  Eating Sunday dinner "together" was important!  Schools taught children the "golden rule"!  Kids played outside and did neat stuff all day on weekends, instead of glued to the bube tube or those dang hand computerized games!  Families went on drives to the country or to visit grandma and grandpa!  It was called THE GOOD OLD DAYS!  ::bat::




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Where in the Bible does it SPECIFICALLY and clearly state that the 1000 years of peace will begin instantly, say at midnight on a certain date, and end precisely at midnight exactly one thousand years later.

Where does the Bible very obviously, clearly and uncategorically state (with no need for interpretations or special meanings  or "understanding") that the 1000 years of peace will be INSTANT?

Instant peace, (clearly and precisely mentioned in the Bible) beginning in just  ONE millisecond, right in the middle of  a war on a battlefield somewhere in the world, with each and every soldier stopping firing their rifle to suddenly running across and hugging their enemy?

Instant peace, (clearly and precisely mentioned in the Bible) beginning in just  ONE millisecond, a domestic family argument, fueled by alcohol and driven by decades of emotional betrayal and depression and despair.
In a millisecond, it's over, and everyone in that entire family is instantly transformed into complete and total peacemakers and each loves all of the others with NO reservations, no conditional love.

I can name MANY other examples---

But again-- WHERE is the verse in the Bible that CLEARLY and UNEQIVOCALLY states that getting to being peaceful is NOT going to be a "process"?

WHERE is the verse  in the Bible that CLEARLY and UNEQIVOCALLY states that the peace will be INSTANT -- one second, the whole world at war, domestic violence, using drugs, rapes, crimes, etc
-- and the very next second, NONE of that is EVER going to happen for ONE THOUSAND YEARS.

If we are going to take the Bible as literally and simplistically as some people like to do, then those verses must be in there.

If however, we wish to allow God to do things in His way, and not try to dictate our own meaning into what He will do, then the Bible DOES explain what God will do ----

The Bible simply doesn't support what WE simplistically and literally expect to happen.




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Yes.
Bahais have said that Bahaullah is the Seventh
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In Revelation there is talk of the 1000 years; 1000 years of peace as part of a revelation. This is the same 1000 years that Bahaullah is saying that we will not need another revelation direct from God, for 1000 years. So this 1000 years is suppost to be the 1000 years of peace but it has not been so, there was no peace on earth. Now we find that Maitreya is the third part of a Baha revelation, as I have begun to explain with the 'three letters' of Baha.
Try to explain to me how this 1000 years the Bahai talk about is not the 1000 years of peace on earth in The Revelation.

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Bahaullah said that 1000 years must pass before another prophet with a message direct from God will come to earth. Bahais are predicting world peace though a concept known as, 'entry by troops', to which all the human race will realize the message of Bahaullah,(actually Bab), and world peace will be the result. right?
This can only mean that Bahaullah was talking about the 1000 years definition when there will be 1000 years of peace, the 1000 years when satan will be released again then comes after the, 'peace on earth'.
So the Bahais can only be saying that we are already in the 1000 years--- which does not make any sense--- unless we bring Maitreya into the picture.

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Some Bahais, as I have found on the internet have a very nice way of explaining the Seventh Angel, here is what one said,
"The incense, which is the explanations and commentaries of the Lamb, rose from the hand of the angel before God, who is the seventh angel and who is the return of the Lamb. The seventh angel is explained by 'Abdu'l-Baha in Some Answered Questions, page 66. He explained that this seventh angel would establish the true Baha'i faith in the world. The prayers of the saints are those holy ones that remained firm in the Covenant of Baha'u'llah."

You see, after the Seventh Angel, then there will be 1000 years of peace, as I had said at the begining of the thread: 1000 years of peace should start after Maitreya`s teachings.

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Oh, and here is Dr. Jensen who is a Bahai who actually says he is the Seventh Angel. So as you can see, this Seventh Angel thing I am talking about is absolutly relevant. from the internet:

"Dr. Leland Jensen (22 August 1914–6 August 1996) was a third generation Bahá'í on his mother's side. He was the establisher of a Bahá'í division called the Bahá'ís Under the Provisions of the Covenant (BUPC). Among the various roles he claimed to fulfill prophecy for were: the "Seventh Angel" of the Book of Revelation, the "establisher of the Bahá'í Faith", Joshua the high priest from Zechariah chapter 3, and the return of Jesus the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. [1]"

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quottos wrote: Oh, and here is Dr. Jensen who is a Bahai who actually says he is the Seventh Angel. So as you can see, this Seventh Angel thing I am talking about is absolutly relevant. from the internet:

"Dr. Leland Jensen (22 August 1914–6 August 1996) was a third generation Bahá'í on his mother's side. He was the establisher of a Bahá'í division called the Bahá'ís Under the Provisions of the Covenant (BUPC). Among the various roles he claimed to fulfill prophecy for were: the "Seventh Angel" of the Book of Revelation, the "establisher of the Bahá'í Faith", Joshua the high priest from Zechariah chapter 3, and the return of Jesus the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. [1]"


um...Dr. Jensen is not a Baha'i then.   He left the Faith to start his own church. 

 

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quottos wrote: Try to explain to me how this 1000 years the Bahai talk about is not the 1000 years of peace on earth in The Revelation.
Since, after twenty-two years as a Baha'i, you have not grasped the concepts of the Covenant and the authority of the Universal House of Justice, I wouldn't have any idea where to start in explaining this particular situation.

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quottos wrote: This can only mean that Bahaullah was talking about

Unless Baha'u'llah, 'Abdu'l-Baha, or Shoghi Effendi say what Baha'u'llah taught can "only" mean a certain thing, then other interpretations are possible.

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Uh huh.....

There was this young girl, and she was lost in the forest and she came across a little cottage and there were three bowls of porridge in the cottage, a huge big bowl, a medium sized bowl and a tiny little bowl.  The porridge in the big bowl was far too hot, the porridge in the medium bowl was far too cold, but the porridge in the little bowl was just right !

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