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sumnom Original500© Member 
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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I never read the books or watched the movies. I assume neither contained gay porn, so what's the difference?  
 "It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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sumnom Original500© Member
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I have never read any of the books but I did see one movie. It was fun. From what I understand, fans are reacting postively to the revelation of Dumbledore's sexuality. I see this as social progress.
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CARLA Original500© Member  Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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Who care he is a great character in the movies and the books. I glad to hear we have made progress in this area.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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sumnom wrote: Comment. Okay. Why is this in the Religion and Philosophy section ? Surely it belongs in Saints printing press, or the Media Molehill ? What has a fictional characters sexuality got to do with Religion or Philosophy ?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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cynicalninja wrote: sumnom wrote:Comment. It gives certain narrow-minded judgemental "religious people" on this forum the opportunity to go off the deep end, and utilize their Constitutional right to make public nuisances and fools of themselves just sit back and watch and listen as some of them begin to do just that-- decry the Potter movies even more, now that this is revealed. Check around in a few of the other forums, there'll probably be some comments from them in those forums. While I don't particularly support gay lifestyles..... I don't think it matters one whit if a fictional character in a set of movies was gay, especially when the fact had NO part shown in any of the script or plot. Personally, I'd bet that Rowling invented that bit PRECISELY to set off the narrow-minded judgemental types who were already hounding her anyhow... Last edited on 05:18 pm by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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sirlamre wrote: Personally, I'd bet that Rowling invented that bit PRECISELY to set off the narrow-minded judgemental types who were already hounding her anyhow...   This actually makes a lot of sense to me. I kept wondering why this was coming out now, after all the books were done. I mean, it couldn't possibly be relevant, at this point. I think you're right: She's just sticking her finger in the eyes of her detractors. And to that, I say: 
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sumnom Original500© Member
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Ninja, This is relevent to the religion forum because: 1. Homosexuality has been debated in relation to Christian/Baha'i scriptures here in the past. 2. Christians in particular have criticized the Rawling books as devices of the devil promoting witchcraft and as a moral danger to the young. I wanted to see what our religious folk had to say about Dumbledore's outing. Is it proof that Rawling is out to destroy the innocent youth of the world? Or maybe she is speading a message of love and tolerance? As a "homosexualist," I say this is a great thing.
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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Like you say haven't most fundamentallist Christians already rejected the Harry Potter books as the work of satan anyway ?, one of the main characters being gay probably only strenghthens this view.
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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cynicalninja wrote:Like you say haven't most fundamentallist Christians already rejected the Harry Potter books as the work of satan anyway ?, one of the main characters being gay probably only strenghthens this view. No "probably" to it. She wasn't playing to her Christian detractors. She was playing to her established fans and advocating gay acceptance. I read it as a political action. It does play pretty safe, though. Gay boy pines away for fifty years abstinant--so sexless that nobody could even recognize he was gay. This is like something out of the early 1960s! Given how hidden (or absent) the character's sexuality is in the text, Rawling comes off looking like she's tweaking the right. And maybe she's doing that, too, knowing that she has nothing to lose there. Last edited on 08:58 pm by construct |
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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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It's likely only a publicity stunt. Most of these pronouncements usually are - which is sad. Under the guise of showing tolerance the reality is she can probably add a few more hundred thousand British pounds to her billions and that of her publisher. Sorry to be so cynical, but we live in the age of Paris Hilton, LiLo, Britney and everyone else from former cabinet secretaries to hardened criminals prostituting ANYTHING for few more $$$  .
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sumnom Original500© Member
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"It does play pretty safe, though. Gay boy pines away for fifty years abstinant--so sexless that nobody could even recognize he was gay. This is like something out of the early 1960s! Given how hidden (or absent) the character's sexuality is in the text, Rawling comes off looking like she's tweaking the right. And maybe she's doing that, too, knowing that she has nothing to lose there." True, she has little to risk and the character's sexuality was hardly prominent in her books but I still think this is a good thing.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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sumnom wrote:True, she has little to risk and the character's sexuality was hardly prominent in her books but I still think this is a good thing. Yes. It is a good thing. She has done a good deed. She has told the books' fans that admirable people might be gay, and by implication that that shouldn't make any difference to the rest of us. I wonder if there's a difference in the way that would play in the U.K. Gay politics is quite different there. The constellation of issues and the tone of the movement are very different as is the religious context. I am eager to see what sort of response there will be.
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sumnom Original500© Member
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I haven't seen much of a reaction yet although the fans present at her talk seemed to like it. So far our resident extremists have not taken the bait.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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Well, here is the most extensive comment I've found. It is from a member on another board who is a twenty-year-old American. He is obviously a gay fan of the series, and he speaks much more knowledgably than I can. My thanks to him for enlightening me about a few things.Rowling explores the lives of almost every secondary character in relation to the main character. The reason why Dumbledore's backround is unexplored for the first six books is to maintain the mystery and use that mystery as a plot device for the last book. One of the subplots of the seventh book is about Harry realizing that he knows next to nothing about who Dumbledore was aside from being his headmaster and pseudo-guardian. He spends the rest of the book learning more and more about his mentor as a human being. He questions whether or not Dumbledore was as shining of an example as he always believed (sic "questioning authority") and understands that in the end, his mentor was a human being with flaws such as being blinded by love. The whole theme of the last book is about growing as an adult and having the maturity to question previous assumptions and reformulate one's beliefs. The world is not divided into good and evil (like in Snape's case) or perfect and ruinous (like Dumbledore's case). If Dumbledore's ife story had been upfront throughout the seven books, there would be no theme to explore in the last one and there would be no mystery and what the reader and Harry perceives Dumbledore to be would lack the need for reanalysis and confrontation.
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