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Posted: 04:31 am

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OK, so to keep up with the Joneses (aka, 24 and JBF)

Here's a thread for all of those people on 24 who are:

Into believing that God does exist (in some fashion or another as the Creator, either in the past or still, as a "being" or even just as a "power" of some sort)
Into believing that being a spiritual moral ethical person is a GOOD thing

Possibly into believing that some of those moral and ethical ideas might be from God's inspiration somehow or another.

Are NOT into thinking "mine is the only true religion in the world"
Are NOT into thinking "anyone who doesn't believe as I do is WRONG"
are NOT into thinking "anyone who matches the previous statement needs to be TOLD they are wrong"

and lastly, who might like to DISCUSS the things they do believe and might possibly believe with some evidence.

This should gather a few folks.... and not all Baha'is, since I'm not at all thinking that this should start and end with "revealed religions"

Even hopefully the people who think God just inspires them with what's around them, and that God may not have done anything as organised as a formal religion and set of laws sent down.

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Posted: 04:34 am

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sirlamre wrote: OK, so to keep up with the Joneses (aka, 24 and JBF)

Here's a thread for all of those people on 24 who are:

Into believing that God does exist (in some fashion or another as the Creator, either in the past or still)
Into believing that being a spiritual moral ethical person is a GOOD thing

Possibly into believing that some of those moral and ethical ideas might be from God's inspiration somehow or another.

Are NOT into thinking "mine is the only true religion in the world"
Are NOT into thinking "anyone who doesn't believe as I do is WRONG"
are NOT into thinking "anyone who matches the previous statement needs to be TOLD they are wrong"

and lastly, who might like to DISCUSS the things they do believe and might possibly believe with some evidence.

This should gather a few folks.... and not all Baha'is, since I'm not at all thinking that this should start and end with "revealed religions"

Even people who think God just inspires them with what's around them...

::wiseman::

Can I join with 1.85 of 7? ::chuckle::

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"and lastly, who might like to DISCUSS the things they do believe and might possibly believe with some evidence."

Wow... that would be a first.

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..with some evidence..... a first....

That _could_ be one reason the thread is so empty!! ::sgrin::

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Just a note for balance:

There is a lot of talk about, "What about the Eskimo or the guy on a deserted island who never heard about Jesus? The reality is that God is just. Whatever He does with those who have never heard about Jesus will be fair. My thread back in August of 06 about the fact that the bible says that every person has enough information from creation itself to know God exists. This reality applies and therefore no one is with a justified excuse based on this evidence alone. Romans 1:20

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Just a note for balance:

There is a lot of talk about, "What about the Eskimo or the guy on a deserted island who never heard about Jesus? The reality is that God is just. Whatever He does with those who have never heard about Jesus will be fair. My thread back in August of 06 about the fact that the bible says that every person has enough information from creation itself to know God exists. This reality applies and therefore no one is with a justified excuse based on this evidence alone. Romans 1:20

Precisely-

This is why Christianity itself CANNOT be the only valid path to God, in the literal sense of that religion.

Nor is Christ the ONLY way to God, in the literal sense of the carpenter from Galilee.

As I've long maintained, it is the Divine Spirit within Christ that is the "way, the truth, and the light" -- a fact which is lost on the majority of Christians who think far too literally.

I have no doubt that the Divine Spirit has shown itself to mankind in many ways and places, precisely to ENSURE that not one single soul on earth could ever be without knowledge of God and how to return unto Him.

This means to me that the PARTICULAR appearance of that Divine Spirit in the body of a carpenter from the Galilee is NOT the _only_ way to return to God -- precisely because of that verse you quote from Romans which proves that God did NOT limit His message and people's salvation to the ONE religion that sprang from the Galilee 2,000 years ago.

Glad we could finally agree on something in religion, JBF!!!!

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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Just a note for balance:

There is a lot of talk about, "What about the Eskimo or the guy on a deserted island who never heard about Jesus? The reality is that God is just. Whatever He does with those who have never heard about Jesus will be fair. My thread back in August of 06 about the fact that the bible says that every person has enough information from creation itself to know God exists. This reality applies and therefore no one is with a justified excuse based on this evidence alone. Romans 1:20

Precisely-

This is why Christianity itself CANNOT be the only valid path to God, in the literal sense of that religion.

Nor is Christ the ONLY way to God, in the literal sense of the carpenter from Galilee.

As I've long maintained, it is the Divine Spirit within Christ that is the "way, the truth, and the light" -- a fact which is lost on the majority of Christians who think far too literally.

I have no doubt that the Divine Spirit has shown itself to mankind in many ways and places, precisely to ENSURE that not one single soul on earth could ever be without knowledge of God and how to return unto Him.

This means to me that the PARTICULAR appearance of that Divine Spirit in the body of a carpenter from the Galilee is NOT the _only_ way to return to God -- precisely because of that verse you quote from Romans which proves that God did NOT limit His message and people's salvation to the ONE religion that sprang from the Galilee 2,000 years ago.

Glad we could finally agree on something in religion, JBF!!!!

:giantgrin:

Hold your horses just a little here. We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them.

Still agree so far?

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"We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them"

Yes actually--- All human souls DO have the responsibility to find and submit to God---

I believe that there are many Paths to God (all of which must go through that Divine Spirit that was Christ) --- but not all of which need know of the Bible or Christianity.

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sirlamre wrote: "We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them"

Yes actually--- All human souls DO have the responsibility to find and submit to God---

I believe that there are many Paths to God (all of which must go through that Divine Spirit that was Christ) --- but not all of which need know of the Bible or Christianity.

Yet the challenge for you and I is that we see no indication in the bible that someone can be saved apart from Jesus (John 14:6). Only He has atoned for sin.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre wrote: "We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them"

Yes actually--- All human souls DO have the responsibility to find and submit to God---

I believe that there are many Paths to God (all of which must go through that Divine Spirit that was Christ) --- but not all of which need know of the Bible or Christianity.

Yet the challenge for you and I is that we see no indication in the bible that someone can be saved apart from Jesus (John 14:6). Only He has atoned for sin.
Well, since Jesus WAS that Divine Spirit that has appeared elsewhere at other times, how then is there a problem?

Seems like He is there for everyone --- and doesn't that mean that He's done everything He's done for everyone, whether they knew Him as a person named "Jesus" or not?

Many names and faiths down through the ages and eons, same Divine Spirit, same fulfillment of promises from the One God, still the only Way to God.

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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre wrote: "We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them"

Yes actually--- All human souls DO have the responsibility to find and submit to God---

I believe that there are many Paths to God (all of which must go through that Divine Spirit that was Christ) --- but not all of which need know of the Bible or Christianity.

Yet the challenge for you and I is that we see no indication in the bible that someone can be saved apart from Jesus (John 14:6). Only He has atoned for sin.
Well, since Jesus WAS that Divine Spirit that has appeared elsewhere at other times, how then is there a problem?

Seems like He is there for everyone --- and doesn't that mean that He's done everything He's done for everyone, whether they knew Him as a person named "Jesus" or not?

Many names and faiths down through the ages and eons, same Divine Spirit, same fulfillment of promises from the One God, still the only Way to God.
I will agree that we do have some agreement in this area.

This is nice I must say to have an area of unity.

Maybe I differ from some in the Christian faith in this area? For those who never heard of Jesus and the Gospel of grace I will let God be the judge of them.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: sirlamre wrote: "We see in the bible that no person will be punished or condemned for rejecting Jesus if they never heard of Him but will be condemned by rejecting the Creator who has revealed His invisible attributes through His creation to them"

Yes actually--- All human souls DO have the responsibility to find and submit to God---

I believe that there are many Paths to God (all of which must go through that Divine Spirit that was Christ) --- but not all of which need know of the Bible or Christianity.

Yet the challenge for you and I is that we see no indication in the bible that someone can be saved apart from Jesus (John 14:6). Only He has atoned for sin.
Well, since Jesus WAS that Divine Spirit that has appeared elsewhere at other times, how then is there a problem?

Seems like He is there for everyone --- and doesn't that mean that He's done everything He's done for everyone, whether they knew Him as a person named "Jesus" or not?

Many names and faiths down through the ages and eons, same Divine Spirit, same fulfillment of promises from the One God, still the only Way to God.
I will agree that we do have some agreement in this area.

This is nice I must say to have an area of unity.

Maybe I differ from some in the Christian faith in this area? For those who never heard of Jesus and the Gospel of grace I will let God be the judge of them.

YET ANOTHER thread descending into the usual cliched Baha'i vs Christianity..........
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