sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote: This is shocking. People created, edited, and/or manipulated archaic text to make it seem like was a consistent novel from God? Sirlamre has lost his mind ...
No, actually Frank... sirlamre hasn't lost his mind, he simply wanted to discredit the bible today but tomorrow will quote it for the furtherance of the Baha'i faith. It's confusing. 
JBF, I think you keep confusing "discredit the Bible" with "not interpret it literally." I can see why you feel the way you do, and am not saying I think you are wrong, but I am not so sure sirlamre discredits the Bible if he is right about the literal interpretation of it. He just may be more accurate about it.
I see your point, sirlamre is making a point here about literal vs symbolic interpretation... fair enough.
Yes-- precisely....
The apparent "contradiction" that is the topic of this thread is really ONLY a contradiction if one interprets the Bible to be UTTERLY historically accurate (and that it should be interpreted as directly literally as possible)
Certainly if one assumes PRECISE historical accuracy in the Bible, one gets into trouble with these verses.
But if one assumes that the Bible is making a SPIRITUAL point here, it isn't relevant any longer whether it was precisely historically literally what happened or not...
the spiritual truth is still there, unchanged; God has protected the spiritual truth--- any possible errors here are merely in historical details and are NOT relevant, if one is merely willing to look at the Bible in the SPIRITUAL context that is the true Reality of God.
The problem is your attempt to convince me or others that the bible is some kind of mystery from the first page to the end and that is wrong. We don't need Baha'u'llah to come and tell everyone what it really means. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit when He departed to be with the Father to be our teacher begining in the 1st century. Mankind hasn't been confused in a literal mire waiting for the far-out symbolistic/re-interpretations of modern day religions to revise and amend everything we have been taught by God's Holy Spirit.
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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