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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Can Jesus (the Lord and God) do evil and does Jesus repent of His actions?? |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Repentance is the term used to describe what a person does when they attempt to make amends for a sin Would Jesus ever "repent" of something, eg, a sin of some sort??? What about evil??? Does Jesus (aka God, aka the Lord) ever choose to do evil or commit evil?? I'm curious what people personally believe (and your basis for that belief) Last edited on 02:32 am by sirlamre  Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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Well, you know, there was that incident with the fig tree.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote:
I don't see why He would being that He was without sin. "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:14-15
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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Had Jesus ever done anything sinful He would not have been an acceptable sacrifice for our sins.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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This might not be in keeping with the spirit of your question, but here's my take on it: If the department head shows up at 10:10 for a 10 AM departmental meeting, he or she is not "late". They run the thing. In the same way, God (in this theological framework) makes the rules. If God does it, it can't be evil (i.e., sin). Now, outside of that framework (i.e., to someone not looking at it with that framework as a reference), obviously God/Jesus, can and does do evil -- every day, if you consider God to be omnipotent. Children die of cancer. Puppies have to be put to sleep. The elderly get Alzheimer's Disease. An omnipotent being has to take responsibility for that -- by definition. If by "God", you mean an omnipotent being, those seem to me to be the options.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Brian wrote: This might not be in keeping with the spirit of your question, but here's my take on it: Evil must first be defined within this context. Next, an omnipotent being doesn't have too take responsibility for death, disease...and so on. According to a God made the way we think He should be "Yes" but does the owner of fish in a fish tank interject everytime there are problems in the tank? Is the fishtank owner suppose to take responsibility beyond providing food and water? Who say's?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: does the owner of fish in a fish tank interject everytime there are problems in the tank? Is the fishtank owner suppose to take responsibility beyond providing food and water? Who say's? Your comment reminds me of this... "For a man to understand God, would be like a fish understanding the ocean in which he lives and which sustains his life." -anonymous. 
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote:This might not be in keeping with the spirit of your question, but here's my take on it: I agree with you that the owner of a fish tank doesn't interject every time something happens in the tank. But to me, that's more of a Deist conception of God, not the picture of an omnipotent God that intercedes in the lives of humans. To take your analogy of the fishtank a little further, what if there were fish tapping on the glass saying, "Uh, a little help in here, please??". Wouldn't an owner that had complete control over every aspect of the fishtank and saw the suffering of his fish do something about it? It seems to me that the kind of owner you're talking about is more like the Deist conception of someone who sets everything up and then walks away. I could actually buy into that, since it more closely matches up to what we see, but I don't think that's what you mean. And I'm not sure that the fishtank analogy is accurate. With an omnipotent God, nothing happens without the God's say-so. Yes, people have free will, but an omnipotent God has to allow people to have free will. He's sort of like an omnipotent, omnipresent version of a CEO. Like a CEO, he's got ultimate responsibility for his organization. Unlike a CEO, though, such a God also has both the awareness of every single thing going on, and the power to correct any misbehavior or problems. The problem with your fishtank analogy is that on a human level, no one would expect or be able to control the conditions of the fishtank every possible second. But on an omnipotent level, a God could do all that and still have time to read War and Peace and Middlemarch all in one sitting.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Amy wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:does the owner of fish in a fish tank interject everytime there are problems in the tank? Is the fishtank owner suppose to take responsibility beyond providing food and water? Who say's? Great quote Amy.  That's pretty much it! Everyone wants to make God out to be what we think or want Him to be. If He doesn't meet our expectations... then He doesn't exist because he doesn't fit our projected mold. 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Brian wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Brian wrote:This might not be in keeping with the spirit of your question, but here's my take on it: Do we run to every whimper and cry of a child? How would a child learn and grow and develop the ability to function and survive in this world if mom and dad ran to every beckoning call? God has set up the world for our existance, He out of love gave us free will to choose. Life and death and pain goes on Brian... Do you stop exercising because you feel it stretch your muscles?
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Evil must first be defined within this context. Next, an omnipotent being doesn't have too take responsibility for death, disease...and so on. According to a God made the way we think He should be "Yes" but does the owner of fish in a fish tank interject everytime there are problems in the tank? Is the fishtank owner suppose to take responsibility beyond providing food and water? Who say's? Obviously, some pain is necessary for growth, in human terms. (Whether pain is really "necessary" within the framework of the existence of an omnipotent god is debatable, but let's assume it's necessary, for the sake of argument.) But to use your parent analogy, how many times can the child cry and whimper, with no answer from the parents, before the child begins to wonder if the parent doesn't care, or has even left the house? That's the thing you have to realize: There are people who spend their entire lives shouting down into a big black hole, and in the end, all they hear is the echoes of their own voices. For all practical purposes, there's no difference between a God that doesn't answer and a God that doesn't exist.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Great quote Amy. This, from the guy who is unhappy with other people's interpretations being different from his (the Truth) interpretations of the Bible. As Imp would say: "Heh"
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Great quote Amy. This isn't about God as described in the bible... it's about a god as expected outside the attributes as portrayed Him in the bible. This has nothing to do with biblical interpretations it's about expectations. It's not about the Baha'i reconstruction of biblical doctrine this is regarding expectations of a deity as we want Him to be. Please get over the fact that a total symbolic reading of the scripture is basically like not reading it at all.
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