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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Whether and how gay church members pictures should appear in a pictorial church directory |
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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I don't think that Broadway Baptist Church endorses the idea that male and female are complementary categories--at least not in the context of the discussion of the role of women in the church. The church has women deacons and staff. They accept the idea of women being pastors of churches. So I don't see the complementarity argument against acknowledginging that some their members are in same-sex households as being particularly persuasive in the context of Broadway Baptist Church. Last edited on 10:31 pm by construct |
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member 
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"Yes, the view on gender-based sexuality has changed along with stoning virgins, selling your daughter, killing your non-believer family members, giving your slaves off for the Sabbath while carefully following the rod-beating guidelines, along with all the other antiquated concepts against modern freedom and equality. You're assuming all change is good. NOT! The facts of human biology have NOT changed and claiming that have requires a warped sense of what constitutes human sexuality. I'll keep it simple for you. It is the relationship between a woman and man that produces babies. Men and women compliment one another biologically. Women are biologically and psychologically equipped for nutural children. Normal child development requires the imput of both a father (male) and mother (female). Learning not to hate does NOT require accepting that homosexuality is normal. The push for social acceptance of abnormal behavior and characterising it as normal does hurt society. In addition the cost of dealing with the health care issues associated with homosexuality is bourn by all of society. The NT characterises homosexuality according to the biological FACTS I stated above. It is not outdated.
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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You're assuming all change is good. NOT! No I did not. I believe the types of changes I mentioned are good. I'll keep it simple for you. It is the relationship between a woman and man that produces babies. Men and women compliment one another biologically. Women are biologically and psychologically equipped for nutural children. Normal child development requires the imput of both a father (male) and mother (female). That is not the criteria for respecting the principles of freedom and equality. No one has to care about reproductive abilities if they don't want to. Learning not to hate does NOT require accepting that homosexuality is normal. The principles of freedom and equality don't care what you hate or accept, Pmh. The push for social acceptance of abnormal behavior and characterising it as normal does hurt society. In addition the cost of dealing with the health care issues associated with homosexuality is bourn by all of society. I think it improves society to stop punishing and discriminating against people based upon their gender. The NT characterises homosexuality according to the biological FACTS I stated above. It is not outdated The NT is obviously outdated in many ways, on many levels. You don't get to cherry-pick which things are for today, sorry.
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member  Witty clever title pending
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pmh1nic wrote:
Perhaps not...but human understanding of those facts certainly has. Medical and biological science has advanced by lightyears since that (outdated) text was written; there is vastly more knowledge now than there was then. This kind of growth and change - which is necessary to life itself - is recognized as a good thing by most people.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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Do any of you agree with Rev. Charles Wade, Executive Director of the Baptist General Convention of Texas, that publishing the couples' pictures as couples might be seen as "approval"?
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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Erinna "Perhaps not...but human understanding of those facts certainly has." There has been no change in our understanding that in very basic terms a man and woman are required for reproduction. There has been no change in the biological compliment that exist between men and women or the lack of compliment between two men or two women. There has been no change in that women are biologically and psychologically "constructed" for nurturing.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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24hn Is the "principles of freedom and equality" the best you've got to offer? People are free to do a lot of abnormal things but as a society we are not required accept them as normal. Equality doesn't mean we have to grant the same recognition to one behavior or orientation as another.
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member Witty clever title pending
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pmh1nic wrote: Erinna Straw man arguments get you nowhere. I never disputed any of these points. What I'm disputing is that these factors are necessary for a relationship. Of course a man and a woman are required (at some point) for reproduction. What has changed is our understanding of what makes homosexuals express the preferences they do. What has changed is our understanding of the sociological factors at work that homosexuals being true to themselves doesn't harm or threaten anyone. What has changed - for most of us - is the understanding that change, when it rectifies outdated thinking, is a good thing.
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construct Pioneer100© Member The Boy Next Door
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Broadway is committed to gender equality. Does that imply that gay couples should be acknowledged in an in-house publication as households?
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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construct wrote: Do any of you agree with Rev. Charles Wade, Executive Director of the Baptist General Convention of Texas, that publishing the couples' pictures as couples might be seen as "approval"? I would think anything that they published is considered something they acccept, condone, or approve of.
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pmh1nic wrote: Erinna What has changed is our understanding of how sex and love is valid outside of just those couples that can reproduce, or more specifically, how we can treat people who love someone in a non-reproductive pairing. Our general understanding of homosexuality has changed too. Along with so many things, our understanding of what is archaic and unnecessarily against the grain of freedom and equality has changed, too. So, it is true, the fact that men and women are complimentary in terms of reproduction hasn't changed, but people assessing that is an outdated method for determining how we treat our family and friends has changed. What has also changed is our view of homosexuality. Modern people have more of an awareness that it is an internal and involuntary feeling, a gender-based atypical wiring, verses some immoral act. Like other minorities who are not typical or the norm, how we view and treat homosexuals has changed.
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pmh1nic wrote: 24hn Yes, and I think those are superb ideals and principles. Far better than "the principles of man-made and man-inspired archaic text full of superstitious and ignorant dogma." pmh1nic wrote: People are free to do a lot of abnormal things but as a society we are not required accept them as normal. Equality doesn't mean we have to grant the same recognition to one behavior or orientation as another. The principles of freedom and equality support the notion that we are not required to treat gays as second class, or to punish them. In fact, it is those principles which serve as the foundation for the anti-discrimination laws that apply to gays and other minorities.
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24HourNut wrote: pmh1nic wrote:24hn Frank, #1. What is man-made and man-inspired archaic text and what isn't? #2. What methods are used to verify? #3. How do you know that all texts are man-made and without divine inspiration?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:pmh1nic wrote:24hn 1. I have no reason to believe that any text is something other than done and thought up by humans. Just because other people say aliens, a God, a super duper meatball monster, and invisible ghost, or any other thing "inspired" it doesn't mean that is good reason to think they are right. Having historical references or truths mixed in doesn't make it any more divine than all the other stories and books that do the same thing. 2. Common sense and reasoning observing the ridiculously flawed and obviously archaic system of text and test-based God play. There is no reason for me to think it is something other than what it looks like - religious stuff written in archaic times suited for that crowd. Other people saying it is divine isn't evidence or inherently something to respect. 3. I don't KNOW but since the systems are so crappy, archaic, and flawed, I am not willing to buy that God wrote books on how to beat your slave, kill infidels, kill your kids, eat food, have orgasms, give your slave off on a certain day, etc. while other religions are all wrong and will be punished. It's a childish idea that I can see working on archaic people, though.
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construct wrote: Broadway is committed to gender equality. Does that imply that gay couples should be acknowledged in an in-house publication as households? I guess that depends upon what they mean by gender equality. If you are going to truly treat men and women equally or not penalize anyone for being a man or a woman, then it makes sense to not penalize gay couple since you are, in effect, penalizing over gender.
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