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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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So what do you think about the killing and persecution of Christians Frank? Should Christians shut up about Jesus and believe in silence? Do you really think that all roads leqad to God as in a New Age concept? What would the world be like if nothing was true but everything was non-absolute? With no absolutes how can freedom be universal if there is no absolutes about freedom?
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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: So what do you think about the killing and persecution of Christians Frank? Invade India (after we cakewalk through Iran, of course)? Last edited on 01:24 am by Impedimentus |
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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Persecution and martyrdom are two of the oldest traditions of the Christian faith JBF, but I forgot, you don't know anything about the history and tradition of the faith you claim to follow. The Christian martyrs didn't go around whining about their fate, they welcomed it.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Actually Imp, I am a member and supporter of VOM "Voice Of The Martyrs" and get e-mails and updates from persecuted Christians throughout the world. I also read many accounts from Christian Martyrs prior to there death. I also read the bible and see it to be normal life for the Christian. If you had time to browse through my 15+- months of posts in the Religion and Christian Forum... you would see I am well aware of the aspects, purpose and history of Christian Persecution and Martyrdom.
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Impedimentus Original500© Member Terricolous Creature
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Actually Imp, I am a member and supporter of VOM "Voice Of The Martyrs" and get e-mails and updates from persecuted Christians throughout the world. I also read many accounts from Christian Martyrs prior to there death. I also read the bible and see it to be normal life for the Christian. If you had time to browse through my 15+- months of posts in the Religion and Christian Forum... you would see I am well aware of the aspects, purpose and history of Christian Persecution and Martyrdom. So, you are actively trying to deny these Christians a martyr's death and eternal life in the bosom of the Lord? You don't believe their faith is strong enough to withstand persecution? We give thee thanks, O Lord of glory, for the example of the first martyr Stephen, who looked up to heaven and prayed for his persecutors to thy Son Jesus Christ, who standeth at thy right hand: where he liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, in glory everlasting.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Impedimentus wrote: So, you are actively trying to deny these Christians a martyr's death and eternal life in the bosom of the Lord? JBF wrote: Give me a break.  Impedimentus wrote: You don't believe their faith is strong enough to withstand persecution? JBF wrote: Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:10 Remember the prisoners as if chained with them—those who are mistreated—since you yourselves are in the body also. Hebrews 13:3 Last edited on 02:47 am by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I don't see how either of these quotes speaks to Imps question about HOW Christians should remember their martyrs. Neither of these is a substantial statement directly at HOW Christians should respond to sacrifice--- One just says "do good" --- a true statement, but JBF could have posted any old verse with this level of relevance. The other just says "remember the prisoners" --- doesn't say word ONE about 'WHAT to remember about them, or why it's important, or whether Christians should pray that the prisoners not sacrifice themselves, or be allowed the bounty of sacrifice before God, or whatever? JBF has offered no thoughts or ideas of his own, explaining what these verses make him think of (that's not unusual though) Imps point appears to be that JBF is sounding as if this persecution must stop, should be ended, is wrong in some way, etc. Persecution in most religions contexts is seen as a verification of the Truth of a religion-- as a needful and ordained thing that will happen to all true religions -- and that it should be celebrated as a sacrifice for God, not a thing that the true detached believer wants to avoid -- the true believer is to have so steadfast a gaze upon God that he is oblivious to matters of the earth. And that fellow believers should celebrate this passion for God, and the great sacrifices made by such believers, not become angry and upset that such believers made the sacrifice... Fox's points this out clearly. Have you ever studied the meanings of Fox, JBF?? Or only read the stories? (or do you know what I'm talking about...) JBF appears to be coming across as though he believes that this persecution should stop, that these Christians should not be given this opportunity to sacrifice--- that this cup should be taken away from them, that they should not be given the bounty of drinking the same cup of sacrifice for God that Jesus did... That's not normally the way, for example, that Mother Teresa, or the Saints approached their persecutions. Last edited on 04:55 am by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Could you please post Imps question about HOW Christians should remember their martyrs because I must have missed that one?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Here JBF... I guess you're right, it was not a QUESTION per se --- but a response to how you have reacted to the martyrdom and sacrificial opportunity offered these Christians in the pathway of service to Christ. Again, having read your post from VOM, that organization appears to be oriented not towards celebrating their sacrifice, but towards ending their opportunity to make such a sacrifice... Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that Christian organizations not lobby to try to stop the persecution. This is about the attitude of the Christian believers towards the sacrifice made by their fellow believers, not the reaction of Christians towards those people DOING the persecuting. Imp said: "So, you are actively trying to deny these Christians a martyr's death and eternal life in the bosom of the Lord? You don't believe their faith is strong enough to withstand persecution? We give thee thanks, O Lord of glory, for the example of the first martyr Stephen, who looked up to heaven and prayed for his persecutors to thy Son Jesus Christ, who standeth at thy right hand: where he liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, in glory everlasting." I said: "Persecution in most religions contexts is seen as a verification of the Truth of a religion-- as a needful and ordained thing that will happen to all true religions -- and that it should be celebrated as a sacrifice for God, not a thing that the true detached believer wants to avoid -- the true believer is to have so steadfast a gaze upon God that he is oblivious to matters of the earth. And that fellow believers should celebrate this passion for God, and the great sacrifices made by such believers, not become angry and upset that such believers made the sacrifice..." Last edited on 12:49 pm by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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