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Just because your relatives are distanced by millions of years, doesn't make it right to disrespect them.  That is a good basis for all animal rights (except steak, which I love).

YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, BUDDY.




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24HourNut wrote: Just because your relatives are distanced by millions of years....

It is clear that ou have never been to my house for dinner, if you had you would reduce that number to about six months!::rotfl::
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24HourNut wrote:



Apes and humans have common ancestors but should they have the same rights? An international movement to give them "personhood" is gathering pace.


Looks like another form of animal worship.

 

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Lower primates aren't capable of having human rights.  Exercising human rights necessitates a level of thinking that they haven't attained yet. 

There's a certain subset of rights which they can exercise (e.g., you could grant them the right to have their interests represented in court, the same way you would for any human infant) but any right stronger than that would be folly, and do more harm than good.

Give it a couple hundred thousand years, then check again.  Maybe they'll've caught up, or we'll've devolved to their level.




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Brian wrote: Lower primates aren't capable of having human rights.  Exercising human rights necessitates a level of thinking that they haven't attained yet.

Hate speech.  :ban?:




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24HourNut wrote: Brian wrote: Lower primates aren't capable of having human rights.  Exercising human rights necessitates a level of thinking that they haven't attained yet.

Hate speech.  :ban?:
Giving apes human rights (beyond perhaps having a counsel to represent their interests) would be like giving a 5 year old a platinum credit card.  Even if they could exercise such rights, they wouldn't be capable of handling the responsibilities that came with them.

I think the whole idea is ::headass::.




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How can you talk that way about relatives that can learn sign language, use tools, and feel jealousy, sadness, and worry?




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"Apes and humans have common ancestors but should they have the same rights? An international movement to give them "personhood" is gathering pace."



JBF responds: The above humanist movement and it's trend towards world worship of animals does not surprise me the least.

"...who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
Romans 1:25




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24HourNut wrote: How can you talk that way about relatives that can learn sign language, use tools, and feel jealousy, sadness, and worry?
Whether they can learn sign language is debatable.  (I personally believe they can, but there are researchers who doubt the methodologies involved.)  Certainly, they use tools, but lots of animals use tools.  That's not a distinction, IMO.  Jealousy, sadness, and worry, are also not uncommon in the animal kingdom.

The reason you don't give apes human rights is because apes don't have the same cognition as humans.  They might merit their own set of rights, but they're not human.  A lot of human rights involve communication.  Apes are simply not capable of this kind of communication.  (Even the signing apes are limited to very simple forms of communication -- mostly requests for food or toys, etc.) 





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foxglovepress wrote: Yes! And, I think they should be able to become citizens, and go on welfare, and possibly even drive one day.  I believe they would be more appreciative and therefore, more deserving in my book than many who already have those rights! 
Only after two of them have evolved at the same time, male and female, into humans, just to prove that it can be done, and that it has happened before. Then they should have these rights. Afterward, I'll start believing in evolution, and stop believing there is a God. Then, I'll register as a democrat.

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