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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Fundamentalist, Ignorant Christian Sects Make a Mockery of Christianity |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:I also suppose that millions of evangelical bible believing Christians tortured and killed one another instead of the fact that the Roman Catholic Church tortured and killed bible believing Christians who resisted the Roman Catholic gospel of salvation through rituals, prayers to the dead, suffering in purgatory and submission to the pope? Your tone is least to be desired but not out of character but I can't disagree with the statements so be it.
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Sirlamre "It's funny how Christians can on the one hand claim to be 90% of the population of America, and then on the other hand, talk about how many people in America are somehow then NOT Christians." Are you talking about 18th century America or 21st century America?
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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Impedimentus "The Orthodox Church is the True Church of Christ. Historical fact, period." Now please define/identify without using the words "orthodox" and "true" who (individuals and/or groups) represents the orthodoxy church. "Pure rhetoric. Sounds good emotionally at first glance to some I suppose, but it is an empty, meaningless statment that most any politician would love. The phrase itself is nonsense unless there is data to back it up since it pretends a statistical conclusion." Instead of making the pronouncement "nonsense" please provide the "data" to back up the statement regarding "fundamentalist, ignorant Christian Sects" at the start of this thread.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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pmh1nic wrote: Impedimentus Good luck pmh. 
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Impedimentus Original500© Member  Terricolous Creature
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:Your tone is least to be desired My apologies for the tone. I ate* some bad fish yesterday afternoon and was feeling a bit grumpy - nothing personal I hope  .*Fortunately it wasn't Chinese fish or I'd be dead today  .
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Impedimentus wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Your tone is least to be desired  No problem, I forgive you unconditionally. Not on the condition that I also like fish and most other seafood products.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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pmh1nic wrote: Sirlamre There have been a number of threads on here in which various Christians have claimed that "America is 90% Christian", without respect to timeline. I would agree that perhaps people were MORE devout spiritually (in all religions) 100 years ago than now... But whenever the point comes up, it seems that "America is Christian" is the statement made, both on and off this forum. I've seen the Religious Right use that phrase "the vast majority of Americans are Christians" several times-- and they're not talking about 51% -- somewhere I saw them quote something like 78% or more. I would be more than willing to bet that at least 75% of the people in this country: 1. Believe in Jesus 2. regularly attend a Christian church of some denomination. They may not go EVERY Sunday and twice during the week, but they likely go at least 40 or more times during a year (52 being the number of available Sundays to go, obviously) 3. consider the Bible to be a priority source of faith and spiritual direction for them. 4. would vote along what they believe to be Christian values based on their reading of the Bible, their childhood Sunday school classes, and what their children are learning. 5. send their children to Sunday school. I'd say that 75% of Americans fit that range-- Do all of them get up at dawn every day and spend an hour saying prayers and another hour reading the Bible? Do every one of them sit their children down in the living room EACH night and read the Bible to their children? NO -- that would be more like 3% or maybe 4% of the people that would call themselves Christian. I think the 25% of people who I didn't count above are: 1. People who would call themselves Christian, but don't go to church except perhaps at Christmas or Easter 2. are honestly totally disinterested in Christianity 3. 8-9% are perhaps rabidly anti-Christian have gotten their numbers swelled by the "we're a persecuted minority" mindset-owners among Christians. I think FAR FAR more people are 'average Christians" than is believed to be the case. I just find that it varies--- it seems that when you hear Christian activists talking about getting a pro-Christian-view law passed, suddenly there are "hundreds of millions of Christians" in the country. And then when 'todays morality' is the topic, suddenly "true Christians" are some sort of tiny minority in the country, hardly to be found at all, surrounded by bad immoral people who, just a few moments earlier, were counted "as being Christian Americans"....
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I bet that most people in America do not attend church more than a few times a year and do not believe in things like an actual literal Adam and Eve, that people will be punished after death by God for being gay or not being married while having sex, etc. I bet most people in America date and have sex, or have, without being married and don't buy that God is going to penalize them for it, or for having oral sex, sex with birth control, or any such thing. I don't believe that most people think the Bible is literally 100% true. I bet that most "Christians" don't really even know the Bible well and are not true Christians by any type of strict standard. Even most Christians in colonial times were AOK with slavery, racism, and general mistreatment of minorities of all kinds. So I believe there is a giant gap between a true Christian, and someone who simply assigns themselves to that religion from upbringing, conditioning, or simple familiarity. There is no way that most of America, or even half, are true blue Christians and buy into the Bible and all it implies, or are even educated in detail about it.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote: There is no way that most of America, or even half, are true blue Christians and buy into the Bible and all it implies, or are even educated in detail about it. Your probably right. Just as there is a small percentage of Muslims who are true blue Muslims that are killing the infidels who do not submit to Allah as they are told to do in the Quran and Hadith writtings.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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Sirlamre "There have been a number of threads on here in which various Christians have claimed that "America is 90% Christian", without respect to timeline." Not! The timeline (as mentioned in a number of places in the thread) was the Colonial and Revolutionary War period. That timeline also extends for another 100 years or so after the Revolutionary War period.
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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24hn I'm not sure what you mean by "true blue Christians" but as far as the Colonial and early U.S. history is concerned the identification with some form of Christianity was almost universal. Today is a different story but the majority of Americans still identify with some form of Christianity, but no where near 90%+ as was true the earlier portion of our history.
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pmh1nic wrote: 24hn By "true blue" I meant genuine fully practicing Christians - not people who were just raised as Christians and don't go to church, don't really buy the items I described in my previous post. "Identified with" is not a true blue genuine practicing Christian. You can "identify with" just because of conditioning and familiarity. I was saying that I think that most people do not truly believe the Bible and the whole literal jazz, including what God is going to punish you for, like picking a different religion, punishment after death for having sex that is not while married and for babies. It sounds archaic and fairytale-like to them too, and they identify with it as embellishment and nice stories laced with good messages that are worthy, but not like God actually wrote them. They aren't even aware of the vast majority of what is in the Bible. I believe that most people in America do not qualify as fully practicing, well educated in, and believing, sorry. There's just no way. The landscape of America would be quite a different, outdated, archaic, uglier creature just like the one we left behind when America started, if I may say so.
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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What defines being a Christian? Of course, "the Bible" does ---- But is that using the interpretation and perceptions and assumptions of a small percentage of Christians in the whole country? Or is Christianity best defined by the interpretations of the largest number of qualified theologians and Christians in the world? Whose interpretations, perceptions, assumptions and beliefs are the ones that best define Christianity? You can take that "only a few people are really right" thing right down to the ONE PERSON has ever existed who was right and will be "Saved"(tm) Supposedly according to one of the most conservative readings of the Bible, only 144,000 people who have lived will EVER make it into heaven -- EVERYONE else will roast in hell. And it's possible that the 144,000 lived in ONE city centuries ago, and EVER SINCE, the rest of us have been just plain 'done for' -- because God selected His 144,000 a long time ago (since He knew what would happen) So according to the perceptions, interpretations, assumptions, and beliefs of that group of Christians, every single baby born for the last 1400 years or more was just "lava fuel" Does having an uber-conservative viewpoint in Christianity make you the person whose definition of Christianity is the best and most accurate? Perhaps it's that rightwing minority that are NOT what Christianity is about, and Jesus is really MAD at THEM! and it's the majority of people in America who claim Christianity that are right --- even if they DON"T happen to believe "in things like an actual literal Adam and Eve, that people will be punished after death by God for being gay or not being married while having sex" <SHOCK> <HORROR> --- SUPPOSE a MODERATE view of Christianity is the RIGHT ONE??? <HORRORS>
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote:
Baha'u'llah's? 
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