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24HourNut wrote: I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. Hi, Frank. The people who apparently know about such things (i.e., abnormal psychologists) say that rape in humans is about violence and control. Rape in primates, though, is about reproduction. They don't try to coerce females that aren't in estrus.
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. I'm not so sure about that. I've seen shows where they showed how the primate raper was worried about getting caught and timed his offense so that he wouldn't. The primate raper knows they are doing something "wrong."
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:24HourNut wrote:I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. In my faith we call that quoting The Book of Hearsay. Regards, Scott
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Brian wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. I believe that isn't always true but more importantly, I believe there are other connections and make it obvious how our rape is connected to our evolutionary past with primates. For example, if rape with humans was purely just about violent control and had no connection to ancient primate practices, you would expect the age of rape victims to be abundantly spread out - but instead, we have the overwhelming amount of rape being toward women in their peak reproductive age. Also, I just think using sex as a vehicle for power is a remnant or byproduct of the basic rape mechanism traced back to primates. Animalistic activity, if you will. I found this one the web. Sounds like what people do at times: _____________________ In regards to the existance of rape (in its various forms) in other primates - here's some observations from Jane Goodall -- http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/anthro2003/origins/apeswrath.html …Jane Goodall provides us with a compelling example of how males use violence to get sex. In her 1986 book, The Chimpanzees of Gombe, Goodall describes the chimpanzee dating game. In one of several scenarios, males gather around attractive estrous females and try to lure them away from other males for a one-on-one sexual expedition that may last for days or weeks. But females find some suitors more appealing than others and often resist the advances of less desirable males. Males often rely on aggression to counter female resistance. For example, Goodall describes how Evered, in "persuading" a reluctant Winkle to accompany him into the forest, attacked her six times over the course of five hours, twice severely. Sometimes, as I saw in Gombe, a male chimpanzee even attacks an estrous female days before he tries to mate with her. Goodall thinks that a male uses such aggression to train a female to fear him so that she will be more likely to surrender to his subsequent sexual advances. Similarly, male hamadryas baboons, who form small harems by kidnapping child brides, maintain a tight rein over their females through threats and intimidation. If, when another male is nearby, a hamadryas female strays even a few feet from her mate, he shoots her a threatening stare and raises his brows. She usually responds by rushing to his side; if not, he bites the back of her neck. The neck bite is ritualized-the male does not actually sink his razor-sharp canines into her flesh-but the threat of injury is clear. By repeating this behavior hundreds of times, the male lays claim to particular females months or even years before mating with them. When a female comes into estrus, she solicits sex only from her harem master, and other males rarely challenge his sexual rights to her.
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24HourNut wrote: Brian wrote:24HourNut wrote:I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. Read it again, it's not saying what you think it says. Regards, Scott
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24HourNut wrote: Brian wrote:24HourNut wrote:I believe we rape for the same basic fundamental reasons that primates do. Or, let me put it to you this way - it can be traced back to primate rape. Animalistic control, violence, and screwing. Hi, Frank. As luck would have it, I saw the same thing when I Googled it.  Other primates don't rape females that are either postmenopausal or prepubescent. In fact, they don't rape females that aren't ovulating. A human rapist doesn't dwell on such niceties.
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Scott, it indicates sex games, kidnapping, violence, competition for power, intimidation ... those primate activities described above fit with what humans do.
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24HourNut wrote: Scott, it indicates sex games, kidnapping, violence, competition for power, intimidation ... those primate activities described above fit with what humans do. Yes, but not why they do it. The evidenc you cited points pretty clearly to reproduction being the point of primate rape. Violence, power, and intimidation are all characteristics of rape. Any rape would share those qualities.
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Brian wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Scott, it indicates sex games, kidnapping, violence, competition for power, intimidation ... those primate activities described above fit with what humans do. Right, but the connection is there. Access to sex is power. It is also animalistic to rape, in any form.
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Brian wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Scott, it indicates sex games, kidnapping, violence, competition for power, intimidation ... those primate activities described above fit with what humans do. I was also saying that WHY we do it seems connected to primates if you look at how it is mainly women in their peak reproductive years by men seeking power. I am not saying it is exactly why primates rape, I am saying I see a strong connection, a throwback, a remnant if you will. Just like how we screw is not just for reproduction, but really is if you trace it back.
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24HourNut wrote: Brian wrote:24HourNut wrote:Scott, it indicates sex games, kidnapping, violence, competition for power, intimidation ... those primate activities described above fit with what humans do. Define "animalistic". Do "animals" concern themselves with the ethics of rape? Is it not the concern with "ethics" that makes humans, humans and animals, animals. Do animals feel the need to concern themselves with the "ethics" of their actions? That humans DO concern themselves with ethics is obvious by this discussion. Does this concern with ethics define humanity? Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: Define "animalistic". Animalistic meaning, like animals or animal in nature. Guys who rape are not unlike primates that rape - females in peak reproductive years, violence, intimidation, power, access to power (sex), games to get away with it, etc. Rape is just one small slice of the overall sex pie as to how we are connected to primates. Sex is just one small slice of the overall species pie as to why we are connected to primates. We screw, fight, play social games, and breed like primates, in essence. It makes sense, since we are more like chimps genetically than many other primates are to chimps!
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:Define "animalistic". I did not mean this to be a series of questions, but it seems to work that way. WHAT exactly differentiates human nature from animal nature? If animals act like animals, how do humans act like humans? Regards, Scott
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Assuming you don't consider humans a primate, humans are more sophisticated primates. That sums up the basic differences to me. Other species do not act as sophisticated and are not as intelligent. This is besides the point, though. Regardless of how we each view the differences, there are strong, connected similarities. That is why it feels natural that we evolved from them. My previous posts hit upon some of similarities due to being so related.
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Okay, first of all man IS a primate, Man did not evolve from primates, man evolved conurrently with other primates. There is no doubt that man is in one sense jsut another animal. WHat I am trying to get you to consider is "WHAT makes man, man, and an ape, an ape? Considering they are BOTH primates to start with. Regards, Scott
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