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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > The Official Evolution vs Creation thread for 24 and PMH. |
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Since we are getting into tails, here is one of the 6 lines of evidence from the link I just posted in my previous post: 2) True tails Sometimes, people are born with tails. These tails can be "false tails," or extensions or extra material at the end of the spine due to any number of developmental problems of the fetus, or they can be TRUE tails. A "true" tail is one which contains muscle, nerves, and vertebrae. Note that creationist sources deny these even exist - but they do, and and they are documented within peer-reviewed literature:   Source 1. Source 2. Source 3. So, using the usual creationist argument of "no new information," we'd be forced to conclude that human ancestry contained the genetic material responsible for fully formed tails complete with muscle, nerve tissue and vertebrae but, for some confusing reason, were never meant to express it. We know what genes are responsible for tail formation in vertebrates - humans have it, though it is not normally expressed, and exists within our genome as a collection of pseudo-genes: Quote: In fact, the genes that control the development of tails in mice and other vertebrates have been identified (the Wnt-3a and Cdx1 genes; Greco et al. 1996; Prinos et al. 2001; Schubert et al. 2001; Shum et al. 1999; Takada et al. 1994). As predicted by common descent from the atavistic evidence, these tail genes have also been discovered in the human genome (Katoh 2002; Roelink et al. 1993). Source. So, given the reality of human tails both in expressed, peer-reviewed cases as well as within the literature in terms of our genome, I'd be curious to hear a possible creationist response to this one - God made us with fully functioning tails? For reference, all apes possess these pseudo-genes, as all apes (humans included) have common ancestry with the old world monkeys ~25 million years ago. The existence of true tails is an atavism - something predicted by common ancestry, and necessarily absent from special creation models (that is, unless you're willing to admit that humans and the other apes are the same created "kind").
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: cynicalninja wrote:The coccyx otherwise known as the tailbone. Why on earth, would you keep something like that? I can't think of a better time for re-constructive surgery! Surely a mother wouldn't allow her child to grow up with that. Is this for real??
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Yes, humans have evidence of a past with tails and it still sometimes gets expressed.
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Why on earth, would you keep something like that? I can't think of a better time for re-constructive surgery! Surely a mother wouldn't allow her child to grow up with that. Is this for real?? details, details!........ 
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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librtyhead wrote: Why on earth, would you keep something like that? I can't think of a better time for re-constructive surgery! Surely a mother wouldn't allow her child to grow up with that. Is this for real?? 
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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FGP: I'm not really sure why you'd want to keep it. There could be several reasons. There's at least one documented case of a boy being born with a tail and worshiped as a god because of it. (Note that while the site I just linked to claims that this isn't evidence for evolution, since apes don't have tails, early ancestors of both apes and humans did in fact have tails, so the fact that apes don't (normally) have tails is not meaningful.)
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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I like this little cartoon................ Attachment: (Downloaded times)
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Smiling Shinobi
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And this one............... Attachment: (Downloaded times)
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24HourNut Administrator aka Frank
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Good ones, CN!
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British Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle: "Even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup" from which life is made, the chance of producing the basic enzymes of life by random processes without intelligent direction would be approximately one in 10 with 40,000 zeros after it!
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup" from which life is made, the chance of producing the basic enzymes of life by random processes without intelligent direction would be approximately one in 10 with 40,000 zeros after it! Evolution is not a random process. 
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I posted Mr. Hoyles research just to show how much faith it takes to not believe in intelligent design.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I posted Mr. Hoyles research just to show how much faith it takes to not believe in intelligent design. Yes, that was why I corrected it. I don't know how life began, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend that the mountain of evidence pointing to humans and primates sharing evolutionary ancestors doesn't exist, just to fit my personal agenda or needs. If we didn't evolve from primates, God could always make that clear to all in no uncertain terms, no interpretation, no assuming, blind faith, guessing, picking religions, etc. God must really love evolution because all the evidence points to evolutionary formations, connections, nested hierarchies, genetic pointers I indicated earlier in the thread, the list goes on to cover a wide range of overlapping scientific fields. People even look like primates for crying out loud. Gee, wonder how all those new species kept appearing throughout the timeline. So, for some strange reason, God REALLY loves to make things look like they evolved ... but didn't? Oh please!
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So how does the eye evolve over billions of years? Does it function during its evolutionary changes? How about a heart...does it fucntion during it's evolutionary changes.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: British Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle: Frank touched on this, but I'll elaborate a little bit. Chemical processes aren't random, so calculating the chance of the enzymes of life coming together through random processes is an exercise in either futility or stupidity (depending on whether or not the person doing the calculations should know better). There's nothing random about hydrogen and oxygen forming water. There's nothing random about sodium and chloride forming table salt. These are things that will happen, given proximity and some rather wide environmental parameters. Now, granted, the chemical combinations we're talking about are much more complex than table salt or water, but the same basic rules apply. It's really a matter of chemistry, not probability. Incidentally, Hoyle's also the one who coined the "tornado creating a Boeing 747 in a junkyard" fallacy, which shows a clear misunderstanding of the mechanisms of evolution.
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