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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > The Official Evolution vs Creation thread for 24 and PMH. |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: So how does the eye evolve over billions of years? Does it function during its evolutionary changes? I think this has been touched on a few times before. Basically, the eye started in primitive lifeforms as a photosensitive cell (i.e., it could only sense light, not more complex things like shapes, colors, etc). This had an evolutionary advantage to the creatures that had this adaptation. If you look in nature, there are still creatures that have these kinds of cells. Later, some creatures developed the ability to see shapes, then colors, etc. These all had advantages for the creatures that had the adaptations. here's a useful summary.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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The whole argument strikes me as silly, guys. That God created all that is and that evolution is a mechanism to bring that Creation about does not leave room for an argument. Regards, Scott
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Popeyesays wrote: The whole argument strikes me as silly, guys. I have no problem with that reasoning. Evolution doesn't necessarily demand atheism. At most, it represents a rejection of the literal interpretation of a few chapters of Genesis.
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24HourNut Administrator  aka Frank
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Popeyesays wrote: The whole argument strikes me as silly, guys. Scott, as Brian indicated, some religious folk (like Pmh) have decided to be silly and take some things literally from the Bible as if they are scientific fact. So, for example, Pmh thinks dinosaurs and humans were around together, on the ark. He rejects how new species appear gradually in the timeline from previously existing species because that doesn't jive with the Bible. Pmh also thinks slugs were teleported from other continents to get to the Ark. Humans evolving from primates doesn't jive with the Bible, so that is another reason why Pmh wants to dismiss the world-wide scientific community across a wide range of fields. The Bible (Pmh) is at odds with evolution - i.e. man evolving from primates.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Only a couple quibbles: Humans did not evolve from Primates, they are Primates. Men did not evolve from "Apes", men and apes derive from a common ancestor, That Pmh cannot figure out metaphor from literalty is Pmh's problem. Regards, Scott
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librtyhead Original500© Member 
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Your ALL wrong Earth was Terra-formed by Martians so that we could in turn terra-form Mars, The circle of life. 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Troublemaker
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24HourNut wrote: Pmh also thinks slugs were teleported from other continents to get to the Ark.  you DO have to answer the question about how the Galapagos lizards survived the Flood. Once you decide that the Flood is literal and exact just as portrayed in the Bible and only in the Bible, then you have to figure out how God got the creatures which only existed in rare far off corners of the earth to be in Mesopotamia to have two of them taken onto the Ark. Once you're willing to admit that God MIGHT just have been being SYMBOLIC (JBF, shudder here please), you can decide that MAYBE the Flood didn't affect the koala bears, the Galapagos Island lizards, the frogs found only in the Amazon rain forest (and which could not survive the dry deserts of the Middle East). Or, you can decide that God decided one day to create some more species AFTER the Flood, and the Bible neglected to tell us about this important part of history (given the detail of Creation, I'd say it's a very serious slipup not to tell us of other things God created later on) Last edited on 12:50 am by sirlamre |
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24HourNut Administrator aka Frank
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Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally. Caine was banished and walked off into the Land of Nod where he found a wife. No explanation of where the hell SHE came from , of course. Moral of the story if you're hot to trot whistle yourself off to Nod cause the broads are easy. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally.  
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Searching The Hearts Of Man
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24HourNut wrote: Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally. The bible is literal, symbolic and poetic. The problem occurs for example when all sound reasoning shows a literal intent in a passage and it's intentionally re-interpreted out of context. This is often the case with new religions who can't seem to operate without using a little bit of the bible. 
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24HourNut Administrator aka Frank
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally. I've seen you take things figuratively and literally in the same verse where there was no reason to do it as you did. The "head and hand mark" thing was one in that internet buying and selling prophecy verse. So, even you are picking and choosing when to go literal or symbolic. Even Christians can't agree on what is literal and what isn't. Widespread disagreement on all levels. There really was a talking snake? Slugs were really teleported to the ark? There really was an Adam and Eve? God really drowned babies to punish people? There really is a torture chamber called Hell? There will really be marks on the heads and hands for the internet buying? It's a mess and Christians in person and on the net can't agree, so of course everyone in the world can't agree on much. HENCE the inherent problem with these inefficient text-based systems and the conflict and confusion (38,000 sects in Christianity alone!?). Pmh thinks dinosaurs and humans were together on the Ark! Where does the madness end? The Bible needs to be seen as the archaic embellishment with some historical truths that it is - just like many other words that have some historical truths to them. It's time to stop denying that we evolved from primates because archaic authors, who though the world was flat, don't support it.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Let's not forget the incest that had to take place if there was a single couple (Adam and Eve) that started the human race. Just another lovely "pro" of taking something like the Bible literally. Dear friend, Once again, JBF, you have stated the obvious that you declare you are exempt from while you condemn everyone else for doing likewise. What part of the concept of "re-interpreted" do you not want to understand? Every Christian Bible printed demonstrates that Christians have "re-interpreted" the OT. The whole history of Christianity shows that countless people have "re-interpreted" the Bible to fit their own wants. As has been pointed out numerous times, Martin Luther "re-interpreted" the "re-interpreted" Catholic Bible without any clear authority to do so and now ML followers condemn their fellow Christians(Catholics) for not going along with that particular "re-interpreted" Bible. Here on 24, you have never been able to support your own "re-interpreted" Bible taken from someone else's "re-interpreted" Bible. Then, as in your above statement, you condemn others for using their own "re-interpreted" Bible. You have no more authority to insist your "re-interpreted" Bible is the only truth then anyone else has when they use their own "re-interpreted" Bible. I've found that most Christian "sound reasoning" is actually the most "un-sound reasoning I've ever seen. The Rapture, pre Trib, post Trib, God at times not being God, God not knowing when He will return" and etc., to name a few, are from anywhere other than "sound reasoning". Moreover, There is no chain of authority for who can or can not use the Bible. You claim authority but have never demonstrated such authority to show your "re-interpreted" Bible is the Truth about anything. Everybody has at least the same authority as you have to interpret the Bible in their own way. You yourself are part and party to this, dare I say, evolution of the Bible, regardless of when and why it was created ;O) Free.man
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"Basically, the eye started in primitive lifeforms as a photosensitive cell (i.e., it could only sense light, not more complex things like shapes, colors, etc). This had an evolutionary advantage to the creatures that had this adaptation. If you look in nature, there are still creatures that have these kinds of cells. Later, some creatures developed the ability to see shapes, then colors, etc. These all had advantages for the creatures that had the adaptations." This is the type of simplistic scientific speculation that is a major theme in the ameba to man theory on the evolution of advanced life forms. The ability to see involves much more then just cells sensitive to light. Human eyesight is the result of an array of very complexed systems working together to produce sight. Beyond the complexity of the individual systems the idea that this light sensitive cell is the evolutionary starting point for complex sight becomes even more of an impossibility when you consider it would be the basis for the multitudes of complex "sight systems" that exist among mammals, birds, fish, etc. The fallacy of this theory becomes more evident as you study exactly what mutations (errors in genetic coding) and natural selection are suppose to have accomplished via random chance. We have had this discussion before but in summary it requires: 1. A genetic ERROR that is not immediately detrimental 2. A genetic ERROR that provides an immediate positive selective value, propagates and survives in the population or 3. Genetic ERRORS with no positive selective value that survive in the population, accumulate and at some point produce something of selective value. 4. Environmental conditions that couple with these genetic ERRORS and act as an selector during the time these errors occur and survive in a population. The essence of this is the belief that via errors and random changes in the environment astronomical amounts of new information came into exist that bridge the gap from simple amino acids to the exceeding complex instructions for life present in advance life forms. Also, the mutation of a hox gene dramatic changes (the tail depicted in an earlier post) but to what benefit. The fact that a function can be trigger (turned off and on) by the change in a string of instructions is evidence of higher complexity and design. Last edited on 05:57 pm by pmh1nic |
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24HourNut Administrator aka Frank
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It's simple. Have a species in a niche and over time the survivors will be more customized and adapted to that environment by natural selection. Exploit another niche, more adaptation. More species. We see them appear gradually on the timeline. That's where all the evidence points to, so why fight the evidence? Religious feelings don't count. Religious feelings only make you say silly things like dinosaurs were with people and on the Ark, as you imply slugs were teleported from other continents to get to it. Stuff like that.
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