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Does God know when and how you will die? If so, doesn't that mean he already knows what choices people (those things he invented) were and are going to make? Did he know how and when you were going to die before he invented apples for Eve to bite?
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I can see the grin on your face right now! 
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Heh heh  ... just trying to jive "knows the future and how you will die" with "had no idea how you'd turn out and was disappointed and surprised when Eve ate the apple so had to make everyone be born with sin."If he already knew you would be born with sin, why did he bother testing Eve with the apple? Didn't God already know she was going to be naive and take a bite? Sounds like a set up to me.
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24HourNut wrote: Does God know when and how you will die? If so, doesn't that mean he already knows what choices people (those things he invented) were and are going to make? Who said it was an apple?
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muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Does God know when and how you will die? If so, doesn't that mean he already knows what choices people (those things he invented) were and are going to make? True, I should have said "fruit." Apple starts with "a" so I figured God was making them in alphabetical order. 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Because the Creator of the heavens and earth and everything in them knows the movie of life and future from beginning to end... doesn't mean He is going to manipulate and take away our freedom to reject or accept Him. A loving God doesn't make us robots... but gives us free will to choose. Yes, He knows if you will accept or reject Him as well as the very number of hairs on your head right now! PS Assuming your not bald.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Because the Creator of the heavens and earth and everything in them knows the movie of life and future from beginning to end... doesn't mean He is going to manipulate and take away our freedom to reject or accept Him. A loving God doesn't make us robots... but gives us free will to choose. Yes, He knows if you will accept or reject Him as well as the very number of hairs on your head right now! That doesn't make sense. How can he know that person X is going to die from choices made such as choosing to working on a construction site and falling off a building to their death, or choosing to abuse drugs and overdosing ... and then at the same time not know what choices they are going to make before before or when they are born? In other words, God already knows your choices before you make them, utilizing freedom or not, correct?
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Either he knew Eve would take a bite of the fruit and cause everyone to have sin (thanks God) or he didn't. If he did, then it was a set up since he created the ingredients, including the naive nature of Eve. If he did NOT, then he does not know the future.
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I there a rock to big for God to lift up Frank?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut wrote: Either he knew Eve would take a bite of the fruit and cause everyone to have sin (thanks God) or he didn't. If he did, then it was a set up since he created the ingredients, including the naive nature of Eve. If he did NOT, then he does not know the future. Hi, Frank. I think the answer from a Christian perspective is that God gives you all the options in the world, and knows which ones you'll take, but you're still responsible for your own behavior. I.e., God knew which option Eve would choose, but He's not responsible for her choosing it. I think you've hit on something important, though: What Eve did (or what they both did, since I don't know it's fair to lay the whole thing at her feet) is to commit the world's first evil act (using the Bible's definition of evil, of course). If original sin came into the world with the first evil act, where did the impetus for the first evil act come from? Original sin must have preceded that act. Isn't that so?
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Frank, You can't remove God from logic and human reasoning. What may seem logical has no bearing regarding the Creator and His ways. Simply put, if it doesn't make sense to you that has no bearing on determining the reality of a Creator.
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Sin is to disobey God and it is unrighteousness. Satan disobeyed and you might say he was the first to sin.Original sin has no bearing on the eternal consequences of Adam and Eve's choices.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I there a rock to big for God to lift up Frank? I would say no and if rocks were free to choose what they want yet God already knew ahead of time what his worshipping pet rock was going to do before it was made, I would be asking the same thing about rocks as well.
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Brian wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Either he knew Eve would take a bite of the fruit and cause everyone to have sin (thanks God) or he didn't. If he did, then it was a set up since he created the ingredients, including the naive nature of Eve. If he did NOT, then he does not know the future. Hi Brian, How can God not be responsible for her choosing it when she was made exactly to be what God wanted since God knew what she would do if he made her chemical balance and personality like she was made, in the setting details God created, and in the circumstances God pre-edited to present her with? It's all a big edit job when you both know the future and create and edit the ingredients and circumstances. If you already know that Eve is going to set into motion events that evnetually lead to a Ralphie punching someone in the face in college when he shouldn't have, then you are responsible if all you had to do was change either that starting event or intervene (as God has, like with the Flood) and guide future events slightly differently to wind up with a slightly different Ralphie, then you as Chief Editing Designer are responsible. I think you've hit on something important, though: What Eve did (or what they both did, since I don't know it's fair to lay the whole thing at her feet) is to commit the world's first evil act (using the Bible's definition of evil, of course). If original sin came into the world with the first evil act, where did the impetus for the first evil act come from? Original sin must have preceded that act. Isn't that so? I feel that you are asking something that is related to what I am asking, which is: Isn't God responsible for the whole set up? He MADE a situation where Eve would be tempted. What kind of dumb game is THAT?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Frank, I feel as though God would want me to apply my sense of logic and reasoning. Isn't that what organized religion asks us to do? To look around us and conclude that all of this must be from God? That's called using human reasoning. That's your reasoning in fact. So I find it hypocritical to say yes, use your reasoning to pick Christianity and believe in God the right way, but don't apply it if points to something that contradicts Christianity. You can't invent a whole reality including a future and not be responsible for it.
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