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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Searching The Hearts Of Man
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The problem with your premise Free.man is the belief that all religions are inspired by the same God. Regardless of the relation to a founder is the question of inspiration by God or man? Since Christ you have no clear biblical references to suggest upcoming New Revelations, New Founders, New Christs or New Religions. If God says that He has spoken in these last days by His Son... then He has spoken.
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Since Christ you have no clear biblical references to suggest upcoming New Revelations, New Founders, New Christs or New Religions. My beliefs about Baha'u'llah are based on what Baha'u'llah said about Himself, so whether there are or are not clear Biblical references isn't really an issue for me. Secondly, did the earliest Christians, during the events of the Gospels, follow Jesus because of Jesus or because the Jewish leadership thought there were clear Biblical references to Jesus of Nazareth being the Messiah? If God says that He has spoken in these last days by His Son... then He has spoken. Who is this supposed to convince? Me? If God says in the Baha'i Scriptures that He has spoken to all humanity through His Manifestation Baha'u'llah...then He has spoken. Last edited on 08:19 pm by berinwitness |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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The Christians followed Jesus because He fulfilled the Law and what Moses and the prophets of the Old Testament wrote about Him. Why follow Baha'u'llah?
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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berinwitness, So you said you follow Baha'u'llah regardless of what the bible says? Hmmm, then why reference the bible if you don't base your faith or decisions by it?
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The problem with your premise Free.man is the belief that all religions are inspired by the same God. Regardless of the relation to a founder is the question of inspiration by God or man? Since Christ you have no clear biblical references to suggest upcoming New Revelations, New Founders, New Christs or New Religions. If God says that He has spoken in these last days by His Son... then He has spoken.Dear friend, 1) Actually, JBF, the problem is yours. I don't have a need to convinve everyone else that they are from Satan. I'm is good company because even Jesus was so called" Luke 11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils (King James Bible, Luke) 2) You and I may believe the inspiration was from God but your explanations of such are far from convincing for anyone other then yourself. I'm not even buying it. So, both your and my interpretation are from man. If I'm not mistaken your interpretation even comes via Martin Luther, a man, who is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. My inspiration comes at least in part from Jesus, the son of man. 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. (King James Bible, Mark) 3) Since the OT you have no clear Scriptural reference to suggest a new religion. Moreover, I can show you many Scriptural references from many religions that do suggest such a notion. They just are not "clear" to you. All these religions including your Bible were written by men. When Christ appeared, twenty centuries ago, although the Jews were eagerly awaiting His Coming, and prayed ever day, with tears, saying: "O God, hasten the Revelation of the Messiah," yet when the Sun of Truth dawned, they denied Him and rose against Him with the greatest enmity, and eventually crucified that divine Spirit, the Word of God, and named Him Beelzebub, the evil one, as is recorded in the Gospel. The reason for this was that they said: "The Revelation of Christ, according to the clear text of the Torah, will be attested by certain signs, and so long as these signs have not appeared, whoso layeth claim to be a Messiah is an impostor (Dr. J.E. Esslemont, Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 6) 4) "If God says . . ."! "If God says . . .! JBF, you, a man, here says God says . . .! Are you telling people to trust you? Your manly interpretation is the only right one? If your interpretation is the best one for you then it is the best one for everyone else? 5) ". . . then He[God] has spoken." You, a man, have spoken and that's all. As yet; very unconvincing, I must say; and I'm more on your side about this subject then most people. Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Because of such apparent count of some 38,000 or more kinds, JBF, Christianity is a house divided. Most are near comsummed with everyone else's sins, Beelzebub, hell and damnation and on and on. Jesus got lost in there along the way, relegated to the puffed existence of a mere flogos. Alack, I find it very interesting that you are unable or unwilling to acknowledge what your own hands have wrought, but that's just me. Pax! Free . . . man
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berinwitness Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The Christians followed Jesus because He fulfilled the Law and what Moses and the prophets of the Old Testament wrote about Him. In Jesus' lifetime, and for two thousand years afterward, the overwhelming majority of Jews have firmly rejected this claim. And the Christians of pagan background didn't care if Jesus had or hadn't. Try again. Why did Jesus' disciples in Gospel times follow Him? Why follow Baha'u'llah? Because Baha'u'llah teaches that everyone on Earth should love each other. I specifically gave up the church my parents sent me to because I could plainly see that Christians had dropped the ball. I went looking for something better, a religion that the members PRACTICED.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness, To try to get Christians to understand that Jesus has kept His promise and Returned!
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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I appreciate both your efforts. Jesus already spoke. Baha'u'llah and the Bahai organization will have to answer to Him.
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"...according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” 2 Timothy 4:4
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"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..." Hebrews 1:1-2
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."Dear friend, " . . . in these last days . . . " was 2000 years ago. Those last days were for then and not now or it would have clearly said so. I'd say: try again. Free . man
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Your killin me Free.man... Ha! Ha! Ha! Those last days were then? Ha! Ha! Ha! These last days must really be last. Ha! Ha! Ha!
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I once was engaged in a face-to-face with a born again pastor in Arizona. Finally he waved his hands in the air and said, "Look we could argue about this til Christ comes back and not get anywhere!" I nearly fell off my chair and he was wondering what I found funny. I just waved it off and said, "Because you missed it, not once, not twice but three times." Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Just like Jesus warned! Matthew 24:23-26 Jesus said, “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Your killin me Free.man... Dear friend, These: 1.(used to indicate a person, thing, idea, state, event, time, remark, etc., as present, near, just mentioned or pointed out, supposed to be understood, or by way of emphasis) Free.man
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