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 Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 09:44 pm

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#1. According to the bible, Jesus is God's final spokesman:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."
 
Hebrews 1:1-2
 


#2. According to the bible, the Mystery of Jesus has been kept secret since the creation of the world, but now has been revealed in the 1st century by the prophetic scriptures. 


 
"Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen."

Romans 16:25-27
 
 
Bible Warning to false prophets:
 
 
"But even if we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be accursed."
 
Galatians 1:8
 
 
Bible Warning to false prophets:


I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 
Revelation 22:18-19
 
 
 
::wiseman::CONCLUSION: THE MODERN DAY RELIGIONS HAVE NOTHING NEW TO ADD FROM GOD THAT JESUS OR THE PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES HAVEN'T ALREADY SPOKEN!
 

:pray:
 





Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24


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 Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 10:22 pm

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if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life

Ouch...you'd better be careful, Frank! :D

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 Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:01 pm

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Is there any point in me posting on this thread? I would think I have already made my position clear.

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 Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 11:26 pm

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berinwitness,

Of course you may post. Your position in the past was very clear yet didn't stand up to the bible... but maybe you have a different viewpoint now?




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24

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 Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 12:18 am

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As if older religions were "better."




Hey, start a cool new topic.
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 Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 12:19 am

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The verses of God have been revealed, and yet they have turned away from them. His proof hath been manifested, and yet they are unaware of it. And when they behold the face of the All-Merciful, their own faces are saddened, while they are disporting themselves. They hasten forward to Hell Fire, and mistake it for light. Far from God be what they fondly imagine! Say: Whether ye rejoice or whether ye burst for fury, the heavens are cleft asunder, and God hath come down, invested with radiant sovereignty. All created things are heard exclaiming: "The Kingdom is God's, the Almighty, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise."

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 41)

 

 

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Dear friend,

Please, tell me about Martin Luther? Where in the Bible(OT or NT) is there any mention or prophecy or whatever at all sprecifically about Martin Luther. Isn't it true that he reportedly lived 1500+/- years after Jesus? If Martin Luther was not mentioned in the Bible then did he not add or subtract from God's Word?

"...according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
2 Timothy 4:4

Isn't Martin Luther then one of these "teachers" heaped upon Christianity? How many Christian denominations or divisions has come about in the last 500 years because of this man? How many of these fables are you willing to pass on to others?

Did Martin Luther not create a modern religion that you now claim to have problems with?

Did not Martin Luther come out of Catholic belief? Does not the Catholic Faith have more Books in the Bible then what Martin Luther dependent Christianity now has? Who added or subtracted those Books that were in the Catholic Bible hundreds of years before Martin Luther came along?

Just asking?

And what about Matt. 24:36 that you are liken to quote quite often? Some Bibles include "nor the Son" and some Bibles exclude this statement. Either one Bible or another is either adding or subtracting to the Word of God, are they not? Mark 13:32 includes the statement; "nor the Son,". Why do you only quote Matt. 24:36 and not Mk. 13:32? Are you then not subtracting from the truth of the Word of the Bible if you do not inform others equally about Mk. 13:32? Is there a reason for such an ommission? 

Moreover, if Jesus was God how would He then not know when He Himself would return?

With the some 38,000 Christian denominations around today it's quite hard to determine whose adding and whose subtracting what?

Historia sagrada or hielige gestitche?

Homoiousios or homoousios?

Centeris paribus!

Die herr vorausgesetzt!

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"...according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
2 Timothy 4:4

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 Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 01:58 am

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness,

Of course you may post.

That isn't really what I meant. If I post, will anyone care what I have to say?

 
Your position in the past...didn't stand up to the bible
Apparently my position is NOT clear.

 
but maybe you have a different viewpoint now?
 

I'm still a Baha'i, if that is what you're asking.

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24HourNut wrote: As if older religions were "better."
Heh-heh.........::stir::

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"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.    10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
   11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."



Apparently there also are NOT going to be any words or books from God either-- at least not for those people who choose to IGNORE the meaning of God's Word.


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Is Baha'i another gospel or not?




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24

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I vote for my Baha'i friends just to continue to encourage them.




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24

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Smoke and mirrors. All kinds of tidbits but no meat. The Baha'i prophet lacks credibility and has been dipping in the bible a little but then He adds a little of this and that and with persuasive words like that and throw in a few more allegoric twists and then suddenly WHAMO! Another new religion!




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24

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It's ALL about Jesus. All these other false gods and false prophets will have to bow to Jesus and His name is above all other names.




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24


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Free.man wrote: Dear friend,

Please, tell me about Martin Luther? Where in the Bible(OT or NT) is there any mention or prophecy or whatever at all sprecifically about Martin Luther. Isn't it true that he reportedly lived 1500+/- years after Jesus? If Martin Luther was not mentioned in the Bible then did he not add or subtract from God's Word?




How was Martin Luther a false prophet? Did he claim to be the Christ? Did he add to God's Word saying, " Thus say's the Lord."?

The Baha'i prophet of the 1800s claims to be God's modern day spokesman doesn't he? Didn't we read in the bible that God in the last days already spoke through Jesus? If the Baha'i prophet was Jesus come again... then why are all the believers still here and not taken to be with Him? The bible and Jesus promised that when He comes again, we would be gathered together unto Him. We will be gathered together with Him in the air and be with Him forever?

 

 



 

Last edited on Thu May 8th, 2008 11:47 am by JustifiedByFaith




Jesus warned,
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive..."

Matthew 24:24


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