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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Notice No One knew the name but Jesus Himself? He will write it on those when He comes. Did Baha'u'llah come from heaven on a white horse in the 1800s? Did anyone know Who Christ was until they became spiritually aware of Him? The Romans and the Jews just rhought he was an ordinary man, a troublemaker and imposter even -- not at all the Messiah. Only those who were spiritually aware realised Who He Was, and got THEIR "new name" of Christians, from being Jews. And yes- Baha'u'llah has indeed written His Name upon my heart-- very much so. And no He didn't come riding a white horse. Jesus didn't arrive at the head of an army and kick Roman butt and go sit on the throne of King Herod either. Why do you keep accusing Jesus of changing His ways? The verses prophesying that Jesus would come at the head of an army and be the King of the Jews are EXACTLY the same sort of "could be taken literally" verses---- but it is now EXTREMELY clear that God did NOT mean those verses literally, and ONLY the spiritually aware in Jesus time realised that. Again, why are you accusing God of changing His Ways and being different this time than last time? There is NO MORE reason to take the verses regarding the Second Coming literally than the Jews had to take the prophecies of His First Coming literally... NONE!!! No historical precedent in the Bible gives any reason to believe that the FIRST set of verses were symbolic and the SECOND set of prophecies are literal. BOTH sets of verses can be taken literally if one decides to do so -- the so-called "arguments" for taking the first set of verses literally are the SAME so-called "arguments" that are used to take the second set literally. and those arguments were WRONG the first time.. People who used those incorrent arguments to take the First Coming verses literally ARE IN HELL FOR THEIR MISTAKE, JBF!!!
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People are not in hell for misreading the bible. People are in hell for rejecting the Holy Spirit who is in the world convicting the world of sin. It is the unforgivable sin to reject the Holy Spirit who is pointing the world to Jesus. The Bahai are quick to play the "literal-allegory-literal-allegory" game in order to craft together a "new religion". The new name thing is just another Bahai tactic of making one feel that they belong to the "only club" who didn't miss the so-called Christ who came to earth as Baha'u'lah in the 1800s. Such claims that everyone else simply missed this "grand event" except those who had "Baha'u'llah" on their hearts is in my opinion more bologna.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Revelation 19:11-16 Dear friend, There ya go again, JBF; living in the past; fantasizing about the future. The Bible says Revelation was visioned some time after Jesus was crucified. Therefore, the Jesus referred to in Revelation is the Parousia((return)second time) is He not? Either He is the very same Christ Spirit referred to in Revelation as in the rest of the NT or He is not? There is no physical description of the Son of Man, Jesus, anywhere in the NT. The only way one can recognize the Lamb, Parousia, Christ referred to in Revelation is by the way He reveals Himself to the world. If one is closed off to that actual revelation, I'd say it's going to pass denied or un-noticed. Moreover, there are several white horses mentioned in Revelation. Are all those who ride every one of these white horses named Jesus? Who then, are literally those who ride the red horse, black horse, pale horse and so on? 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass. 6:2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses; 6:3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses. 6:4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord? 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth. 6:6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country. 6:7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth. 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country. 6:9 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 6:10 Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah; 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest; 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. 6:14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the LORD. 6:15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God. (King James Bible, Zechariah) 6:4 the four spirits from heaven are expressed as drawn from different colored horses in different parts of the world. IMO, there is here a connection between Zech, and Revelation that helps understand better what actually happened in Revelation. NOTE: 6:12 - The Lord of hosts introduces the man whose name is "The Branch". You aught to be glad to hear that Baha'u'llah, the Lord of hosts, introduced the world to Abdul'Baha as "the Branch". Baha'u'llah never went to school, didn't have any teachers and was raised in an Islamic Persia. Do you really think Baha'u'llah somehow studied the Bible so closely and then actually put in hundreds of Biblical statements to catch up a few misguided Christians away from Jesus? Welcome; welcome; welcome! BE Glad!: Concerning thy vision of the angels surrounding the great white throne: This "throne" is the body of the Greatest Name. The beautiful and glorious person riding upon the white horse is the Greatest Name and the white horse means also His glorious body. The herald who proclaimed the written names in Abdul-Baha who announceth the names of those who deserve salvation and are firm in the Covenant of God, and thou art one of those people, the people of salvation. Be thankful for this great favor. (Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v3, p. 681) Free  man
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: People are not in hell for misreading the bible. People are in hell for rejecting the Holy Spirit who is in the world convicting the world of sin. It is the unforgivable sin to reject the Holy Spirit who is pointing the world to Jesus. The Bahai are quick to play the "literal-allegory-literal-allegory" game in order to craft together a "new religion". The new name thing is just another Bahai tactic of making one feel that they belong to the "only club" who didn't miss the so-called Christ who came to earth as Baha'u'lah in the 1800s. Such claims that everyone else simply missed this "grand event" except those who had "Baha'u'llah" on their hearts is in my opinion more bologna. Dear friend, As I'm sure you will agree, JBF, that, after all you and I say and/or do here, sincere prayer to God is the only way that will resolve this seeming issue. By God! Though weariness lay Me low, and hunger consume Me, and the bare rock be My bed, and My fellows the beasts of the field, I will not complain, but will endure patiently as those endued with constancy and firmness have endured patiently, through the power of God, the Eternal King and Creator of the nations, and will render thanks unto God under all conditions. We pray that, out of His bounty -- exalted be He -- He may release, through this imprisonment, the necks of men from chains and fetters, and cause them to turn, with sincere faces, towards His face, Who is the Mighty, the Bounteous. Ready is He to answer whosoever calleth upon Him, and nigh is He unto such as commune with Him. We further beseech Him to make of this darksome tribulation a shield for the Temple of His Cause, and to protect it from the assault of sharpened swords and pointed daggers. Adversity hath ever given rise to the exaltation of His Cause and the glorification of His Name. Such hath been God's method carried into effect in centuries and ages past. That which the people now fail to apprehend they shall erelong discover, on that day when their steeds shall stumble and their finery be folded up, their blades blunted and their feet made to falter. I know not how long they shall spur on the charger of self and passion and rove in the wilderness of error and negligence! Shall either the pomp of the mighty or the wretchedness of the abased endure? Shall he who reposeth upon the loftiest seat of honour, who hath attained the pinnacle of might and glory, abide forever? Nay, by My Lord, the All-Merciful! All on earth shall pass away, and there remaineth alone the face of My Lord, the All-Glorious, the Most-Bountiful. (Baha'u'llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 133) I pray Thee, Lord, to unequivocally show JBF his heart's desire, the Face of his Lord; and to show me, my heart's desire, the face of the Lord; in Jesus' Name. Amen! I pray Thee, Lord, to unequivocally show JBF his heart's desire, the Face of his Lord; and to show me, my heart's desire, the face of the Lord; through Thy Greatest Name, The Glory of God! Free man
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: People are not in hell for misreading the bible. People are in hell for rejecting the Holy Spirit But if you reject the Holy Spirit BECAUSE you misread the Bible, and don't know what is happening... ..that's the SAME THING. The one leads to the other, JBF. The Jews DID reject Jesus because they misunderstood the Bible, they were reading the Bible literallly, not spiritually And thusly, HOW they read the Bible led them to REJECT the Lamb of God! And I'm sure God is NOT pleased with them for their failure to be spiritual and SEE who Jesus was with their hearts, and not some sort of literal-minded approach that ignores what their souls already knew...if they had only been looking with their inner eye and listening to their inner heart (their soul) Last edited on 06:03 pm by sirlamre |
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:People are not in hell for misreading the bible. People are in hell for rejecting the Holy Spirit  Once again, I direct you to the book of Romans."What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. As it is written: “ Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.”But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”(that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’”(that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 9:30-10:13 Last edited on 02:58 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Revelation 19:11-16 Actually it was a red roan stallion in April of 1863, as He departed B aghdad for Constantinople. Regards, Scott
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Here is what the book THOTH says about Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Rev. 19:11) "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." (Rev. 19:12) "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." (Rev. 19:13) "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." (Rev. 19:14) "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (Rev. 19:15) "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Rev. 19:16) The Kingdom Of Heaven now will come and the one whose name is called The Word (/) of God, will be prepared to establish it. " Quottos says: "the Word", did not paste properly, (/). What the Word is, is in sanskrit, and you may find more about at the website, the eternal divine path maitreya.org
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So what Maitreya says about Revelation 19:11 is from above quote: " The Kingdom Of Heaven now will come and the one whose name is called The Word (/) of God, will be prepared to establish it. " Maitreya is talking about his mission. So we can see that anyone can take this role. What we need is proof. I believe that God has given us prophecies as proof. In fact, the fulfillment of prophecy is very important if one is to say who is the messiah.
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There is a much better exegesis of the Book of Revelations as it pertains to Baha`u'llah to be found in: http://bahai-library.com/books/apocalypse/apocalypse19.html APOCALYPSE UNSEALED by ROBERT F. RIGGS New York: Philosophical Library, 1981. ISBN 8022-2367-2 LCCN 89-81698 " 11 And I say heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Baha'u'llah, the Lord of Hosts, that is, the Lord of the heavenly armies,* is shown riding a white *See _The Covenant of horse. In Chapter 6 the white Baha'u'llah_, p. 75. horse was corrupted theology. Here, ridden by Faithful and True, it represents correct theology. By righteousness, He judges the spirituality dead and makes spiritual war upon the wicked. Faithful and True ãIOTOä KáI A^HéINOä has a literal value of 1269 and an archetypal value of 9, the number of Baha'. Some of the titles of Baha'u'llah that can be considered as synonyms for the expression "Faithful and True" are: Bearer of the Trust of God, Fountain of the Root of Knowledge, Well ----------------------------------------------Start of page 221-- Spring of Revelation, Bird of the Throne, Word of Truth, Sun of Truth, Day Star of Divine Revelation. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written that no man knew, but he himself. His eyes of flame have been described in Chapter 1, verse 14. The many crowns He wears are His titles and His dominion over all the Divinely revealed Faiths. The name written that no man knew but He Himself refers to His name Baha' given Him by the Bab on the White Stone, Chapter 2, verse 17. The Covenant is always transmitted through the Ages by the White Stone. Although false prophets will always attempt to claim the White Stone as their own, only the True Prophet, the Manifestation of God, is capable of revealing its hidden contents and through the power of His Utterance prove that its concealed Name refers only to HImself.* *See, for example, Reference 21, Chapter 18. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. His vesture dipped in blood_/2 symbolizes the great suffering and persecutions of Baha'u'llah and His followers. "By the righteousness of god! The tribulations We have sustained are such that any pen that recounteth them cannot but be overwhelmed with anguish. No one of them that truly believe and uphold the unity of God can bear the burden of their recital. So great have been our sufferings that even the eyes of Our enemies have wept over Us, and beyond them those of every discerning person." --Baha'u'llah_/3 Indeed, the sufferings of Baha'u'llah are monumental. Though born into a wealthy and powerful family (as was Lord Buddha), His property was confiscated, He was inprisoned in ----------------------------------------------Start of page 222-- dungeons and jails, bound by massive chains, banished from place ot place over a period of forty years, was the victim of numerous conspiracies and attempts on His life, was poisoned twice, and underwent the torture of the bastinado. Throughout all His sufferings, Baha'u'llah displayed nothing but the highest patience, forgiveness, forbearance, and mercy toward His persecutors. The reason Baha'u'llah accepted these tribulations He explains: "The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold* that the whole *The walled prison- world may attain unto true fortress of 'Akka. liberty." "The Lord Himself beareth witness to the truth of My words. We have sustained the weight of all calamities to sanctify you from all earthly corruption, and ye are yet indifferent." "Fix your gaze upon Him Who is the Temple of God amongst men. He, in truth, has offered up His life as a ransom for the redemption of the world."_/4 In a deeper sense, Baha'u'llah, as the Father of the Prophets, sustained the manifold sufferings heaped upon those Holy Personages of other Ages._/5 The Word of God 'O ^oâoä éîov has a lieteral value of 927 and an archetypal value of 9, the number of Baha'. Some of the titles of Baha'u'llah that are synonyms for this phrase are: Pen of the Most High, Voice of the Ancient of Days, the Mystic Herald, Voice From the Burning Bush, Fountain of Wisdom, Tongue of Eternity, Spirit of God, Pen of the Most Great Name. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a ----------------------------------------------Start of page 223-- name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The heavenly armies (hosts) are the sanctified and angelic followers of Baha'u'llah, the Lord of Hosts.* He, with the Sword of *See _The Covenant of Truth and the Rod of Spiritual Baha'u'llah_, p. 75. dominion, is the Lord of the vineyard and a Manifestation of God, that is, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The book by Riggs tackles Revelations in its entirety, verse by verse. Regards, Scott
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I went to the website Scott has suggested and found it very inspiring. I heard that the King James Version of the Bible is the best, so I quoted from there with Maitreya's interpretation from THOTH. "Tablet Thirteen Chapter 5 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." (Rev. 5:1) "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne": The right hand is always considered to be positive and more spiritual than the left in the body. Or the right hand can symbolize the side that guides man to his higher nature. "A book written within and on the backside": "A book" refers to the words of God which will be revealed to the human through His Prophets. These words are the truths which underlie all the religions and their Scriptures. "Written within" refers to the real meaning of the Scriptures which cannot be seen and realized by naked, unspiritual eyes, and "on the backside" is what most people read and take literally. They think that what they see is what it means. "Sealed with seven seals" means that the book (the words of God) is sealed. It reveals the mysteries of God and His Plan which will be unknown until "...the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished,..." (Rev. 10:7). These mysteries, with the meanings of the seals, are revealed in The Greatest Sign." Here is a part of Mr. Riggs interpretation of the same verse: "The "book" represents the seven Holy Books of the seven Faiths. It is sealed with seven seals because every Holy Book was sealed. The words on the inside represent the hidden meanings while word on the backside represent the obvious meanings. The hidden meanings of the Holy Books were revealed by Baha'u'llah. The Book of the Bab [the _Bayan_, meaning "Exposition"], actually revealed through the Spirit of Baha'u'llah, was also instrumental in unsealing the seven Books. The representation of all the seven Books as a single Book symbolized the fact that all the Holy Books are in essence one and the same. The Lion of the tribe of Judah_/1 is Baha'u'llah. The Lion of Judah alludes to the prophecy of Jacob in Genesis 49:9-10 (KJV). In that prophecy, the Lion symbolizes a ruler or sovereign; ----------------------------------------------Start of page 100-- Shiloh means a place of rest and symbolizes the Ark of the Convenant.*_/2 *"Shiloh come" equals 358 by the Hebrew gematria, identical to "Messiah." As the Root of David, Baha'u'llah, Who was descended from Abraham through His third wife Katurah, is equated to Abraham, meaning that all Prophets are in essence one and the same.* *See _Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah_, pp. 88-90." Maitreya also has a bloodline to be the Lion of the Tribe of Juda that is proven though DNA. Mr. Riggs says that the Book of the Seven Seals are the seven religions, he didn't say which seven religions. Mr. Riggs concludes that what is revealed in the Book of the Seven Seals by Bahaullah is that all the holy books are the same. Maitreya agrees that the Book of the Seven Seals are represented by the seven religions: Far East teachings includind all mystical paths, Judism, Christianity, Islam, Bahai, Ananda Marga, Maitreya. Maitreya says that these religions are not all the same but each has a specific message which is the message given as the Eternal Divine Path, or the Shrii Shrii Para Maha Yantra. Mr. Riggs then tries to make Abdul-baha look more than human. The following is what is said of Abdul-baha: ""When 'Abdu'l-Baha visited this country (the United States of America) for the first time in 1912," a commentator on His American travels has written, "He found a large and sympathetic autience waiting to greet Him personally and to receive from His own lips His loving and spiritual message... Beyond the words spoken there was something indescribable in His personality that impressed profoundly all who came into His presence. The dome-like head, the patriarchal beard, the eyes that seemed to have looked beyond the reach of time and space, the soft yet clearly penetrating voice, the translucent humility, the never failing love,--but above all, the sense of power mingled with gentleness that invested His whole being with a rare majesty of spiritual exaltation that both set Him apart, and yet that brought Him near to the lowliest soul,--it was all this, and much more that can never be defined, that have left with His many ... friends, memories that are ineffaceable and unspeakably precious." Surly, Abdul-baha was a spiritual person, but what is done here called worshipping. So here is Maitreya saying, "worship God, only partially bow to the great sages and teachers of the past. To show respect for them having helped people reach higher consciounesses." Maitreya is saying worship God not him.
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"Surly, Abdul-baha was a spiritual person, but what is done here called worshipping. So here is Maitreya saying, "worship God, only partially bow to the great sages and teachers of the past. To show respect for them having helped people reach higher consciounesses." Maitreya is saying worship God not him." Abdu'l Baha did not worship himself, and he had to fight that tendency with a lot of the early western believers. Asked if he was the christ, Abdu'l Baha answered: "3 (Question: "Master, who art thou? Art thou the Christ?") 4 As to what thou asked concerning me: Verily, I say unto thee, that I am indeed an humble, submissive and imploring servant of God; a servant of His Beloved; a messenger of the exaltation of His Word; a spreader of His Fragrances; an extoller of the banner of love and harmony; a promoter of the greatest peace among all nations and tribes; a kindler of the fire of the love of God in the hearts of the people; a runner to the place of martyrdom in the Cause of God; a yearner for every calamity in the love of God; a longer for suspension upon the cross for the love of the beloved; a herald of the Kingdom of God among the sects of all horizons. This is my station and condition; this is my blazing crown; this is my glorious throne; because my servitude to the Holy Threshold is my brilliant light, my shining star and my drawn sword; and beside this I have no other name." In another tablet: "Regarding the station of this servant: My station is Abdul-Baha, my name is Abdul-Baha, my qualification is Abdul-Baha, my praise is Abdul-Baha, my title is Abdul-Baha."
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