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The Mission of Maitreya, The Eternal Divine Path, has another way to worship God. God is formless, invisable, nameless, and eternal. The aycronym, FINE, works well if you wish to remember this. Abdu'l Baha did not give you the teachings on how to worship God, Bahaullah did. So as I say you are worshipping Abdul'Baha, Abdul'Baha is the one who God sent to spread the Bahai teachings to the west, so that the western world would hear about Bahai universal teachings and would be added to God Plan, The Eternal Divine Path. Abdul'Baha might have folded his hand together and said, 'this is how you pray', but Bahaullah is the prophet. If you want to go around acting like Abdul'Baha, you go right ahead. If you are worshipping someone, do you go about it by talking and talking and asking the person, and begging the person. Usally like praying, most of us are trying to worship. Worshipping God is not just talking to Him. If you are worshipping someone isn't it a good thing just to sit down and listen for awhile to that person you are worshipping. Instead of praying you can listen to God by stoppping that insistant self of the internal dialog. "be still and know that I am God", bible. To listen to God, stop all internal thoughts in your brain, called meditation. As you come out of the trance of mantra meditation you have begun to rid yourself of a good portion of, "self", that Abdul'Baha talks about readily. What else could have possibly happened if you sat, and even for a moment, while you were sitting there, no thoughts came into you head. And the reason you want to dissagree is because of the, 'self', in you want to take over and talk. If you want to try to be like Abdul'Baha you will not be your true self.
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Dear friend. Q: [ If you want to try to be like Abdul'Baha you will not be your true self.] A sure renvoi. And on what page of that kitab-i-nafs did you find this atavistic gem? Just askin? Free.man
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"Therefore, know thou that the True One possesseth invisible worlds which human meditation is unable to comprehend and the intellect of man hath no power to imagine. When thou wilt purify and clarify thy spiritual nostrils from every worldly moisture, then thou wilt inhale the holy fragrances diffusing from the merciful gardens of these worlds.~ Abdu'l Bahs.Some Answered Question, p. 393
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"Therefore, know thou that the True One possesseth invisible worlds which human meditation is unable to comprehend and the intellect of man hath no power to imagine. When thou wilt purify and clarify thy spiritual nostrils from every worldly moisture, then thou wilt inhale the holy fragrances diffusing from the merciful gardens of these worlds.~ Abdu'l Bahs.Some Answered Questions" Abdul'Baha says, "other worlds", so he is talking about consciousness. You agree then, Scott, in what Maitreya teaches. It is true that levels of meditations, "worlds which human meditation is unable to comprehend and the intellect of man hath no power to imagine.", will be attained. That is actually the goal of the Path. The opening quote is part of Maitreya's teachings. The distiction that Maitreya makes, that completly binds together the teachings of the far east with those of the Judao/Christian/Islam/Bahai traditions, is that Maitreya is makeing it clear that the levels of consciousness that are indescribable are known and have been known as the sixth and seventh charkras. This is one of the ways the Seventh Angel ties the great religious beliefs of all the world together. Abdul-Baha does not know this part about charkra system, he is using Bahaullah's teachings. Bahaullah's teachings are a part of the Judao/ Christian/Islam/Bahai traditions, and donot believe in the charkra system. With the teaching of Maitreya we can see the corrolations between the east and west teachings. It is a simple as reading the opening quote by Abdul'Baha explaining the last two charkras. Why, then, do each, east and west, scoff at each others beliefs? Now who can say that charkras don't exist?
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quottos wrote: "Therefore, know thou that the True One possesseth invisible worlds which The "teachings of yourew Mexican guru are gibberish, Drew. THOTH is gibberish. Most of the time you speak gibberish, Drew. The teachings of Baha`u'llah do not accept reincarnation and say nothing about 'chakras'. Meditation is spiritual in the Baha`i Faith, and it is in conjunction with prayer or it's worthless. Prana yoga is too tied up with physical rigmarole to be spiritual in nature, at least in how you present it. And kindly do not tell me what "I" believe. Regards, Scott
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Maitreya is actually from Iran and he lives in New Mexico, USA. Physical and spiritual practices are related. Maitreya has some wonderful spiritual practices that are as good as the ones in the Bahai Faith. I speak clearly and I speak the truth.
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Drew, "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather, follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise. Erelong shall clamorous voices be raised in most lands. Shun them, O My people, and follow not the iniquitous and evil-hearted. This is that of which We gave you forewarning when We were dwelling in `Iráq, then later while in the Land of Mystery, and now from this Resplendent Spot." p. 32, Kitab'i Aqdas You're asking me to follow 'the iniquitous', to follow your idle fancies, and a 'lying imposter'. No, thanks
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As I said Maitreya has explained what the 1000 years means, and it has a very obvious meaning in a very obvious place, the place is the bible. Revelation talks about a 1000 year period. Is it the same 1000 years that Bahaullah mentioned? The 1000 years in Revelation is related to the coming of the New Jerusalem, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Is this tied into the Bahai Faith, I think it is. The Bahai Faith is suppost to bring the New Jerusalem so that the Kingdom of Heaven is brought to earth. In Bahai terms this is called the Most Great Peace. According to Bahai doctrine no other prophet will come to assist in the endeavor to bring world peace. Of course things like this are said all the time in different religions it does not mean that it is going to happen. Listen to God. God has a Plan. I would not listen to Scott. He doesn't speak gibberish, or rubbish, Scott only speaks from ignorance. It is a common fact about the Eastern and Western religious bias. Anyone can see that the Far East teachings are a lot different from Christianity, Judism, Islam and Bahai. The latter four are known as western, although the directions, east and west, are a way of makeng of separating the two, eastern teachings originate from the Vedas, the Vedas are the first relgious teachings we had known. Scott says this is all gibberish, but Scott lives under an open sky of ignorance. Scott can write about things and what not, but he doesn't know what he is talking about because he does no research. Here are the things that those who have an eastern bias do not believe in: reincarnation karma daharma gunas charkras
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So Scott must have an easten bias. Because he has declared he believes not in reincarnation, etc etc...
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quottos wrote: So Scott must have an easten bias. Because he has declared he believes not in reincarnation, etc etc... Drew, "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather, follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise. Erelong shall clamorous voices be raised in most lands. Shun them, O My people, and follow not the iniquitous and evil-hearted. This is that of which We gave you forewarning when We were dwelling in `Iráq, then later while in the Land of Mystery, and now from this Resplendent Spot." p. 32, Kitab'i Aqdas You're asking me to follow 'the iniquitous', to follow your idle fancies, and a 'lying imposter'. No, thanks. Does Abdu'l Baha have "an eastern bias"? Regards, Scott
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Everything MUST be answered by the Bahais about the book of Revelation. If you are teaching the Bahai Faith or you might as well say la la la when someone asked what is so great about the Bahai Faith, and God. That website you suggested was that, and it wasn't very good, that is, the person started talking about astrology and only spoke as people put words in his mouth and I suspect that he didn't mention which religions were meant by the Seven Seals because he would get in trouble with the Universal House of Justice of this Hafia based sect of the Bab/Bahaullah revelation. "idle"?, no, I am reading the bible. "fancies", I think not, when, all I say is based on scripture. "lying imposter"? Who is lying here? The Seventh Angel is a person who is a character in the Bahai Faith, for sure, because Abdu'l Baha makes a mention of the Seventh Angel, by the name: Seventh Angel. Some people might believe that when Abdu'l Baha says the Seventh Angel that he is talking about Bahaullah. It is of course that Abdu'l Baha uses the future tense when he talked about the Seventh Angel that has some concerned that it is Bahaullah that he is talking about. You appear to me Scott, to having a bias that Bahaullah is the Seventh Angel, ignoring that Abudu'l Baha is talking about someone in the future. Along comes Maitreya, who was given the name Maitreya and never joined the Bahai Faith, but instead was a follower of Amanda Marga. Maitreya's vision, the Shrii Shrii Para Maha Yantra are also the teachings of what is answered as the Book of the Seven Seals in which the Path, The Eternal Divine Path will lead humanity to estblish the kingdom of heaven on earth though the formation of the Communities of Light. What Scott is saying boulderdash, and spiritually criminal, in that it will lead to separate man from man, as he has done with his western bias on religion. Of course Abdu'l Baha has a western bias(you mean). Does he believe in reincarnation? Was I suppose to say, 'no', just becuase he is Abdu' Baha? Abdu'l Baha is a great being, a spiritual master, and you always make it look bad. If you don't understand that there is a bias with eastern mystical thinkers against the typical prophet succession fulfilling a line from Genesis to the New Testement, and a western bias toward yogis and their beliefs, that is, they believe none of it, not even mantra meditation. There is a western and eastern bias, and quite simple to understand. Here, all the things God gave us and you want to throw them out all over what you think are idle fancies,,, reincarnation, karma, dharma, etc, etc. Listen to this people,,, Scott has said that, reincarnation, karma, dharma, and the works are, quote: "idle fancies". How is he going to explain that.
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Let Abdu'l Baha do it. He says that the notion of reincarnation other than the concept of the Manifestations of God in a sense, "sharing" a soul; that reincarnation is a misconception. " 10 Moreover, this material world has not such value or such excellence that man, after having escaped from this cage, will desire a second time to fall into this snare. No, through the Eternal Bounty the worth and true ability of man becomes apparent and visible by traversing the degrees of existence, and not by returning. When the shell is once opened, it will be apparent and evident whether it contains a pearl or worthless matter. When once the plant has grown it will bring forth either thorns or flowers; there is no need for it to grow up again. Besides, advancing and moving in the worlds in a direct order according to the natural law is the cause of existence, and a movement contrary to the system and law of nature is the cause of nonexistence. The return of the soul after death is contrary to the natural movement, and opposed to the divine system. 11 Therefore, by returning, it is absolutely impossible to obtain existence; it is as if man, after being freed from the womb, should return to it a second time. Consider what a puerile imagination this is which is implied by the belief in reincarnation and transmigration. Believers in it consider the body as a vessel in which the spirit is contained, as water is contained in a cup; this water has been taken from one cup and poured into another. This is child's play. They do not realize that the spirit is an incorporeal being, and does not enter and come forth, but is only connected with the body as the sun is with the mirror. If it were thus, and the spirit by returning to this material world could pass through the degrees and attain to essential perfection, it would be better if God prolonged the life of the spirit in the material world until it had acquired perfections and graces; it then would not be necessary for it to taste of the cup of death, or to acquire a second life." Abdu'l Baha, Some Answered Questions, pp. 287-289.
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"Moreover, this material world has not such value or such excellence that man, after having escaped from this cage, will desire a second time to fall into this snare." That is why God made this world, so that eventually we can see with a spiritual eye and we will go to God instead of returning to a material plane. Buddha comfirms what Abdu'l Baha says here in a teaching that was perfectly preserved, i.e., reincarnation. Buddha explained that it is countless times have we been reincarnated until we reach the Nirvana. Scott, how did this teaching of Buddha, lose its vigor, so to speak, in that reincarnation now only means that the prophets return and not the individuals? "No, through the Eternal Bounty the worth and true ability of man becomes apparent and visible by traversing the degrees of existence, and not by returning." What Abdu'l Baha is saying is that to grow spiritually we need to, "by traversing the degrees of existence". The, "degrees of existence", are clearly explained as the seven charkras. It would be nessasary to raise the consciousness above the fourth charkra. The methods in doing have already be given by God. There is no need to return, there is no need to reincarnate, but God gives us many, many, many, chances. If God did not give us time to traverse the degrees of existance, which are the charkras,(do some homework Scott), then God is fair, and God is always fair. "When the shell is once opened, it will be apparent and evident whether it contains a pearl or worthless matter." This sentence reminds me of the Hidden Word: "25. O YE SEEMING FAIR YET INWARDLY FOUL! Ye are like clear but bitter water, which to outward seeming is crystal pure but of which, when tested by the divine Assayer, not a drop is accepted. Yea, the sunbeam falls alike upon the dust and the mirror, yet differ they in reflection even as doth the star from the earth: nay, immeasurable is the difference!" So what Abdu'l Baha is saying here is that when we die it will become apparent how far we have progressed spiritually. However; to reach Heaven, or Abha Kingdom, the soul will need to be pure. To reach Pure Consciousness, or Abha Kingdom, or Heaven(Christian), will need more than just believing in a messiah, and how attached we are to this existence will be clearly written on our souls. "When once the plant has grown it will bring forth either thorns or flowers; there is no need for it to grow up again." Yes, as Bahaullah said in Hidden Words, "Let it now be seen what your endeavors in the path of detachment will reveal." So we died at which we reached a degree of spirituallity. That body that God had given was used up and, ok, you for example didn't progress much, then what!, exactly, God gives you other chances in other worlds, but the only thing that cannot be described here is Pure Consciousness, which is Heaven. "Besides, advancing and moving in the worlds in a direct order according to the natural law is the cause of existence, and a movement contrary to the system and law of nature is the cause of nonexistence." What Abdu'l Baha is saying here is that it is no good to return, or reincarnate. The goal of the life is to become divine, and reach God, everything else, as a main goal, is counter productive. "The return of the soul after death is contrary to the natural movement, and opposed to the divine system." Abdu'l Baha is speaking truth!! The return of the soul IS contrary to the natural movement of the soul. The natural movement of the soul, and again, is to reach God, that is all. " Therefore, by returning, it is absolutely impossible to obtain existence; it is as if man, after being freed from the womb, should return to it a second time." Abdu'l Baha is saying that when we die we go into nonexistance, so we donnot exist. "We donnot exist", anyways, is like a religious edict and easy to understand. Look at those who have already died, it is as if they never existed. So in the realm of spirit, we donnot exist before or after we die. Of course, our real true essence is to be one with God. Abdu'l Baha is also saying that if we are non-existance in death, how can we exist. Well, deep meditation will most likely reveal to you Scott, that we don't exist in the first place. "Consider what a puerile imagination this is which is implied by the belief in reincarnation and transmigration." Abdu'l Baha doesn't believe in reincarntion. Consider that Abdu'l Baha is not using any quotes from Bahaullah, and ask yourself, "does God give Abdu'l Baha the certification to interpret other than Bahaullah's writings? The answer is, no. So I am asking to turn to another prophet to get the interpretation of reincarnation. It is easy for one to think of reincarntion as childish, if you have western religious bias. Again, none of the Judeo/Christian/Isalm/Bahai tradidtions believe in reincarnation; it developes a bias when it comes to their beliefs. They will and never did believe outwardly in any of the far eastern teachings, and the Bahai Faith is part of it if you like it or not. "Believers in it consider the body as a vessel in which the spirit is contained, as water is contained in a cup; this water has been taken from one cup and poured into another." This is what reincarnation is, a new vessel for the soul. As Bahaullah has said, that, "only the purest deeds will be accepted", or placed on our soul so that when we reincarnate we has what we have progessed and the rest will be a clean slate. It is just God being fair. God is alway fair to us because God loves all of us. "This is child's play. They do not realize that the spirit is an incorporeal being, and does not enter and come forth, but is only connected with the body as the sun is with the mirror." What the soul is is our detatchment from God. If we are attached to God we have no soul, we are one with God; God is our soul. Abdu'l Baha is using spiritual understandings in favor of his cause, which is to give an answer to the Bahais around him at that time in history, which that time amounts to not believing in reincarnation. If you could follow-up with some quotes from Bahaullah on reincarntion that would be great. "If it were thus, and the spirit by returning to this material world could pass through the degrees and attain to essential perfection, it would be better if God prolonged the life of the spirit in the material world until it had acquired perfections and graces; it then would not be necessary for it to taste of the cup of death, or to acquire a second life." That's right and it really, 'rests my case', that Abdu'l Baha said it would be better if we had longer lives to acquire perfections and graces. Is not Abdu'l Baha saying that, this world, right now, is what we need to acquire those perfections and graces. Abdu'l Baha has said here, what I am trying to explain. NO. It would not be nessasary to taste the cup of death or reincarnate, if that were the case.
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Drew, Regards, Scott
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 thank you Scott , God bless
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