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muddawber wrote: I am sure they feel so, I sure won't judge it. It's not my place.
You are right about one thing for a change, it is not your place to judge, but, you have judged all of us who only believe that Jesus Christ is the only son of God, and that the Baha'u'llah is not a manifestation of God. Your smug attitude about us tells the story.

"the pot calling the kettle black"

You are the pot calling the kettle black when you point to another person and accuse that person of doing something that you are guilty of doing yourself. Example: "You are accusing me of being lazy? Ha! That's the pot calling the kettle black!"

"The pot" (for cooking) and "the kettle" (for boiling water) sit on the stove over the fire and become black from the flames. Example: "I'm tired of you always wearing my clothing!" Answer: "Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black? You're wearing my pants right now!"

The pot and the kettle are like old friends who have turned black with time; the pot only sees the blackness which is on the kettle; he doesn't see the black on himself. Example: "Here comes the guy who is always late for work." Answer: "Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black? You are usually the last person to show up!"


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Posted: 02:26 am

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Popeyesays wrote: muddawber wrote: I am sure they feel so, I sure won't judge it. It's not my place.
You are right about one thing for a change, it is not your place to judge, but, you have judged all of us who only believe that Jesus Christ is the only son of God, and that the Baha'u'llah is not a manifestation of God. Your smug attitude about us tells the story.

"the pot calling the kettle black"

Nicely done. Is that from one of your Bahai' books, or did you come up with that one youself?

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foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote: foxglovepress wrote: Popeyesays wrote: Popeye, could you not say that about reading the Bible, and learning about Jesus? It's been my experience, mosEven about Christianityt people who are only interested in the Bible, are people who have in fact studied other religions in depth. JBF, is one of them. I think they already have expressed humble, sober reflection...........

I am sure they feel so, I sure won't judge it. It's not my place.

I do know that there is much misuderstood about Islam and Baha`i, because I see people write the most outlandish misconceptions as Gospel truth.

Reading the Bible certainly always leads me to new discoveries everytime I undertake it. The richness of the text is there because no single interpretation is sufficient, but rather leads to other avenues of thought. The way to embrace the message is to see where two traditions agree, not to create dichotomies where no disagreement really exists.

The next couple of weeks lead up to the most somber Baha`i Holy Day of the calendar--The Martyrdom of the Bab.

If anyone truly examines the facts of those days, one cannot escape the udnerstanding of a comoon thread between all religions--particularly Christianity. The accounts have so many things in common, and are so reminiscent of one another that it is a thing of amazement.

It deserves a thread of its own.

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Scott

I understand exactly what you're saying, and that it's how you feel. It's what your interpretation of the Bible has told you. I for one respect that. I believe everyone has the right to choose the truth about God in their own way. Because we are all of complex minds, backgrounds and life styles I don't think there will ever be a time when all people agree on one God, one Jesus, and one truth. It's my belief however, at some point, we will all know...........

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I understand exactly what you're saying, and that it's how you feel. It's what your interpretation of the Bible has told you. I for one respect that. I believe everyone has the right to choose the truth about God in their own way. Because we are all of complex minds, backgrounds and life styles I don't think there will ever be a time when all people agree on one God, one Jesus, and one truth. It's my belief however, at some point, we will all know...........

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Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Matthew 24:4

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Not again?

Yup....Fraid so!!!

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foxglovepress wrote: I understand exactly what you're saying, and that it's how you feel. It's what your interpretation of the Bible has told you. I for one respect that. I believe everyone has the right to choose the truth about God in their own way. Because we are all of complex minds, backgrounds and life styles I don't think there will ever be a time when all people agree on one God, one Jesus, and one truth. It's my belief however, at some point, we will all know...........

True, and ::appl::

for you.

The Qur'an puts it very nicely:

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"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the f Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. "

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You're suggesting that they're all right! I didn't say that Scott. I said I respect your interpretation. I don't think for one minute there is more than one God. If you have truly searched and opened your mind and this is what you believe, I respect that. I'm am not going to tell anyone what they should or should not believe in when it comes to God. I will however not tell you that I think you're right either! Now, can I ask you why there's an f in front of Christians?

"f"- a typo, ma'am.

Here's the same verse from the Yusufali translation and the "f" in front of Christians appears in the Shakir translation.

"YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. "

I frankly do not care if you do not believe I am right. We both have the right to be wrong on any topic. The important thing is that we act upon what we believe. Otherwise we are "lukewarm" and that certainly is not desirable in Christianity or Baha`i.

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Scott

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Popeyesays wrote: foxglovepress wrote: I understand exactly what you're saying, and that it's how you feel. It's what your interpretation of the Bible has told you. I for one respect that. I believe everyone has the right to choose the truth about God in their own way. Because we are all of complex minds, backgrounds and life styles I don't think there will ever be a time when all people agree on one God, one Jesus, and one truth. It's my belief however, at some point, we will all know...........

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Thank you for your explanation of the f, though I don't understand it. And yes I agree that we can disagree about one's passion. Which I believe, is a much nicer way of wording the point........ I always defend what I believe. It get's me into a lot of trouble at times, and I'm sure you understand that's true of a lot of us......

Certainly true. Hopefully we can treat disagreement as simple disagreement and keep it from troubling us too much.

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If Muhammad was the 2nd coming of Christ and Baha'u'llah was the 3rd, why didn't Muhammed end all rule and reign and why is he not here for 1000 years with all the saints as the bible promised? Don't you guys see that you left the bible on the shelf and settled for a different jesus and a different gospel?

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: If Muhammad was the 2nd coming of Christ and Baha'u'llah was the 3rd, why didn't Muhammed end all rule and reign and why is he not here for 1000 years with all the saints as the bible promised? Don't you guys see that you left the bible on the shelf and settled for a different jesus and a different gospel?

In the day of Muhammed it was not possible for ONE revelation to reach the world.

This is a different day.

Many muslim pundits saw a thousand year reign for the Dispensation of Muhammed as well, you know. That reign began in the Muslim year 260 After the Hejira, when the last true imam was killed.

That thousand years ended in the Muslim year 1260, which just happens to be the same year as 1844 AD in the Christian Calendar.

Coincidental? I doubt it.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: If Muhammad was the 2nd coming of Christ and Baha'u'llah was the 3rd, why didn't Muhammed end all rule and reign and why is he not here for 1000 years with all the saints as the bible promised? Don't you guys see that you left the bible on the shelf and settled for a different jesus and a different gospel?

Muhammad was not the 2nd coming of Christ.

He was the Seal of the Prophets, the last Prophet of the Age of Prophecy.

He is also prophesied for in the Bible - and NOT as the second coming of Christ.
And that's exactly what He claims --- Muhammad does NOT claim to be the Promised One. He himself makes prophecies that are also about the Promised One.

Those prophecies also coincide in 1844, and coincide in other ways with the Bible prophecies regarding the 2nd coming.

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I look at it like this, Jesus was in Jewish terms the 2nd coming of Moses.

In technical terms, Muhammed is the COmforter.

It is hard to pigeon -hole these things because there are many truths on many levels for many reasons.
WHen I refer to people saying: "We can argue about this til Christ comes again!" My reaction is: "You missed it three times."

I think that is metaphorically true, no matter what particular labels one insists upon.

By the way, JBF, you are leaving the Bab out of your count. While the Bab IS the Forerunner of Baha`u'llah like John the Baptist was for Christ, the Bab had a direct Revelation from God and revealed a Book--that makes Him rasul Independent Prophet), not nabi (minor prophet).

The Adamic Cycle of Prophecy ends with Muhammed and a new Cycle, The Baha`i Cycle begins with the Bab.

"Seal of the Prophets" by itself as a term does not really have anything to do with the "LAST" of anything.

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Scott

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