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Free.man Original500© Member
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Lon wrote: In either case, the act is carried out my Muslims, is it not? Dear friend, And your point is? Condemn a whole group of people because of the behaviors of a few from that group? Free.man
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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Islamophobia is rampant here.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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cynicalninja wrote: Islamophobia is rampant here. What truly disturbs me is how happily some will paint themselves a bigot, then take pride in their artistic acheivement. Regards, Scott
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Lon Guardian1000© Member  Septuagenarian
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Popeyesays wrote: cynicalninja wrote:Islamophobia is rampant here.
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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Lon wrote: Popeyesays wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Islamophobia is rampant here. The issue isn't merely disagreeing with someone about race or religion. The issue is doing so on the basis of mind-boggling ignorance -- e.g., painting all the members of a religion with a broad brush because of the actions of a minority, and making pronouncements on a religion based on demonstrable falsehoods.
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Lon Guardian1000© Member Septuagenarian
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Brian wrote: Lon wrote:Popeyesays wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Islamophobia is rampant here.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Brian wrote: Lon wrote:Popeyesays wrote:cynicalninja wrote:Islamophobia is rampant here.  Lon, I don't think YOU are a bigot, really. But I would submit that by making such generalizations about members of one religion, or ethnic group you ARE painting yourself a bigot. I, for one would hate to think that your attitude here covers all North American ethnically and by belief system WASP's with the same disgustingly tarry brush. I am from WASP stock, though I am no longer a Protestant, by any means. Most of my ancdestry is Welsh, or Scots-Irish too, but most people perceive Celts as Anglo-Saxons much chagrin as that may cost Celts. One can light a candle in the face of the darkest ignorance or once can embrace the dark, but what sort of a character judgment is that? Regards, Scott
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Folks, you can save the history lessons. Today it is radical Islam causing the havoc in the Middle East. There aim is to wipe out western influence in the region by any means necessary. The idea that we can just play nice and pacify them is simplistic and basically a refusal to face harsh reality. It is them or us. That's the way they see it and we need to be looking at the situation accepting that harsh reality.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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pmh1nic wrote: Folks, you can save the history lessons. Today it is radical Islam causing the havoc in the Middle East. There aim is to wipe out western influence in the region by any means necessary. The idea that we can just play nice and pacify them is simplistic and basically a refusal to face harsh reality. It is them or us. That's the way they see it and we need to be looking at the situation accepting that harsh reality. I agree. We ignored the Nazis as they consolidated power in Europe, will we do the same again. Now, that being said, let's leave the religion of Islam out of it all. It's a political crisis, not a religious one. Hopefully another world war can be avoided, but PEACE is best pursued by reasonable men with reasonable goals. Hopefully, they will learn to be reasonable. Regards, Scott
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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pmh1nic wrote: Folks, you can save the history lessons. Today it is radical Islam causing the havoc in the Middle East. There aim is to wipe out western influence in the region by any means necessary. The idea that we can just play nice and pacify them is simplistic and basically a refusal to face harsh reality. It is them or us. That's the way they see it and we need to be looking at the situation accepting that harsh reality. I don't disagree with you, PMH. But I would much prefer the discussion be limited to the actual problem (which you've identified here): radical Islam. It's the idea that any Muslim is the problem, and that they are all guilty until they show themselves to be innocent, that I think is viral. One of Obama's (many, IMO) cowardly acts was to characterize the assertion that he is a Muslim as a "smear". He was driven to such heights of unabashed stupidity by the gross assertion that anyone who prays to Allah is essentially a card-carrying member of al Qaeda. That's the main problem with that particular brand of bigotry: It's turning us into a nation of morons.
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Lon Guardian1000© Member Septuagenarian
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You can no more leave religion out of this discussion than you can say the Inquisition and the Crudades were politically motivated. Give me a break!!
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Lon wrote: You can no more leave religion out of this discussion than you can say the Inquisition and the Crudades were politically motivated. Give me a break!! But they were politically motivated. Both had to do with the political and economic power of the Church. The Crusades were about trade and mercantilism. The Inquisition was about imposing the power of the Spanish Throne after the Reconquista. What were they going to do with all thoswe pesky Jews and Morriscoes? Regards, Scott
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pmh1nic Pioneer100© Member
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There are other issues at play but at the core religion (radial Islam) is the primary factor promoting the violent nature of the conflict in the region. It is an ideology of oppression that cannot be compromised with and can only be suppressed in the short term with violence. In the long term we do what we can to appeal to the less radical factions in finding solutions for the economic and social problems in the region.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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pmh1nic wrote: There are other issues at play but at the core religion (radial Islam) is the primary factor promoting the violent nature of the conflict in the region. It is an ideology of oppression that cannot be compromised with and can only be suppressed in the short term with violence. I would offer one ammendment: There are other issues at play but at the core the cynical and oppressive manipulation of the religion (radical Islam) for political ends, is the primary factor promoting the violent nature of the conflict in the region. Regards, Scott
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Lon wrote: You can no more leave religion out of this discussion than you can say the Inquisition and the Crudades were politically motivated. Give me a break!! The Inquisition and the Crusades were politically motivated. The Church at the time of the Crusades wasn't just a spiritual force. It was probably the most potent political force on the planet. The Inquisition and the Crusades were both about sustaining that power and influence. Religion was just the instrument of that power. Let's not forget that the Crusaders not only attacked Muslim lands, but they also attacked Christian lands, when it suited them. As for the Inquisition, it was primarily run by the governments of different nations. (e.g., the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, etc.).
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