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Scott,

The Bahai versions of Muhammed and historic Islam are altered. The roots of Islam have come from a 7th century Saudi Arabian lifestyle of control, conquer, seize and plunder. It's goal has been and always will be to force the world to "submit to Allah and Muhammed his prophet".




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott,

The Bahai versions of Muhammed and historic Islam are altered. The roots of Islam have come from a 7th century Saudi Arabian lifestyle of control, conquer, seize and plunder. It's goal has been and always will be to force the world to "submit to Allah and Muhammed his prophet".


Okay, look at the obvious, the religion of God revealed by Muhammed came at a time of moral corruption, social decay, vile behavior and spiritual rot.

Just like the times and place when Jesus came, or Moses came, or Krshna, Buddha, Zoroaster, and Abraham came.

The laws of Muhammed were universally an improvement over what had been the norm before His announcement.

Can you show a single battle or skirmish of Muhammed's followers that was not instigated by Muhammed's enemies? No, you can't.

You probably have no idea what the history of the times of Muhammed were or were not.

Before Muhammed a woman was sold into a marriage by her father and became a chattel of her husband. After Muhammed a woman could not be married without her consent, not could she be stripped of her possessions and killed out of hand by her father or husband.

Before Muhammed female infants were most often buried alive, or left to die on the desert. Muhammed forbade that.

Before Muhammed theft and pillaging were the routine, Muhammed declared those practices ungodly and vile.

Before Muhammed the tribes were constantly at war with one another, after Him ev ery day brought more and more unity to those people and created a nation where only barbarous clans had been.

Muhammed forbade offensive war. Muhammed forbade forced conversion.

What His followers did after Him was no worse than what the followers of Christ did after Jesus was no longer on this earth.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott,

The Bahai versions of Muhammed and historic Islam are altered. The roots of Islam have come from a 7th century Saudi Arabian lifestyle of control, conquer, seize and plunder. It's goal has been and always will be to force the world to "submit to Allah and Muhammed his prophet".

Dear friend,

Altered from what version?

Yes, 7th century Middle Eastern lifestyle was rough. So was 7th century European life style and, 7th century pre-columbian American lifestyle, 7th century Asian lifestyle and on and on. So?

603 - First mention of London
610 - Phocas, Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire, deposed and killed.
613 - Northumbrians defeat Britons near Chester
614 - Persians take Damascus and Jerusalem.
615 - Anglians reach the Irish; massacre of the monks of Bangor
616 - Persians overrun Egypt
620 - Northmen invade Ireland
622 - Monothelite/Dyothelite controversy*
622 - Hijira - Muhammad's flight from Mecca - year one - Islam
624 - Muhammad Aisha - this history book says she was 10 years old.
625 - Double attack of Avars and Persians on Constantinople.
627 - Muhammad's enimies from Mecca besiege Medina and slaughter 700 Jews
627 - Byzantines defeat Persians - Heraclius' army takes away Indian sugar
628 - King of Persia murdered by his own son
628 - Muhammad captures Mecca
628 - Muhammad writes letters to rulers of the world; explaining Islam
629 - Heraclius recovers Jerusalem
630 - Olaf Tratelia expelled from his native Sweden
632 - Muhammad dies
633 - Arabs attack Persia
633 - Christians take over churches of Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria
635 - Muhammadans capture Gaza
635 - Harsha's invasion of Chalukyas repulsed

I could go on, but this reads like just about everyone was plundering everyone else they could at that time for the same reasons. 

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