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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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muddawber wrote: BTW, wikipedia doesn't say the bab was martyred, it says he was shot by a firing squad. And, it in no way echos the crucifiction, except in your mind. He was tried and executed within the same day. He was suspended above the crowd from a spike set in the wall. One faithful follower was martyred at the same time. The first firing squad commander asked to be excused from the duty, the Bab told Him if He truly desired to be relieved of the command that he should just do his duty and God would release him. WHen the first volley of 600+ muskets fired the first bullet to get to where the Bab and His follower cut the rope that suspended them, and they dropped to the ground. Not a single shot struck the Bab and Anis, the young disciple was merely scratched. In the smoke from the volley (it was the age of black powder you know) finally cleared away Anis stood by Himself and the Bab was nowhere to be seen. After a frantic half-hour search He was found in the same chamber where he had been held. Having finished dictating the letter to His secretary He allowed Himself to be led away to be shot a second time. The commander of the regiment which had fired marched away refusing to repeat the deed. A second regiment was brought to the parade grounds and they fired. The bodies were cast into the city moat, and a dust storm swept through the city of Tabriz obscuring vision til the next day when the bodies were mysteriously gone. Followers of the Bab had retrieved the bodies from the moat accompanied by a representative from the Russian Embassy who sketched the face of the Bab which bore no wounds from the musket balls. The body was hidden for decades and finally spirited away to Akka where Abdu'l Baha built the first floor of the Shrine of the Bab and interred the remains in that shrine. All of this is attested to by European witnesses to the events, most of whom were various embassy personnel. The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. The story of the Bab was a sensation in Europe. Sarah Bernhardt even commissioned a play to be written about it. Anyway, this is fit material for a different threadLet's not sidetrack this one. After all JBF started it for a different reason. Regards, Scott ---------------------------------------------- David Merrick of Edinburgh originally wrote this: "Anyone reading the martyrdoms of both Jesus and the Báb, will notice some very intriguing similarities... The age of the Báb and length of His mission are similar to those of Jesus. Both had farcical trials with predictable conclusions. The Báb is put to death on the eve of Ramadan, exactly as Jesus is martyred on the eve of Sabbath and the Passover, for the same reasons. The Báb being paraded through town on an ass recalls Jesus' entry into Jerusalem. The Báb met His martyrdom at noon, which is the time Jesus was taken away to His death in John. Both are suspended in the air, have one fellow-companion going to Paradise, and the same words are uttered for their going there. The Báb instructs His disciples to deny their faith, much as Jesus' disciples fled and denied Him in order for His faith to continue. Both the Báb and Jesus demonstrate a power over martyrdom that shows it was a voluntary death. The disappearance of the Báb before the people, is similar to Jesus' disappearance from the tomb. A long darkness (and other natural wonders) follows the deaths of both the Báb and Jesus. Guards are posted over both the Báb's and Jesus' bodies so that their bodies are not taken, but both fail in their jobs. The bodies of both the Báb and Jesus are both found disappeared on the third day. In both cases a report is spread abroad to cover the disappearance. " Regards, Scott By the way I'm going to move these two posts to a seperate thread, simply because the anniversary of the Martyrdom of the Bab is on July 9th. Last edited on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 12:27 am by Popeyesays
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This is the account of Nabil-i-Azam, the author of Dawnbreakers. The translation to English is by SHoghi Effendi Rabbani. The little square boxes in the text should be the letter "h" with a small diacritical. THis is not part of the text set, so appears as: "?". " 11 to conduct the Báb into the presence of the leading mujtahids of the city and to obtain from them the authorisation required for His execution. 12 As the Báb was leaving the barracks, Siyyid ?usayn asked Him what he should do. “Confess not your faith,” He advised him. “Thereby you will be enabled, when the hour comes, to convey to those who are destined to hear you, the things of which you alone are aware.” He was engaged in a confidential conversation with him when the farrásh-báshí suddenly 13 Mírzá Mu?ammad-‘Alí begged Sám Khán to be placed in such a manner that his own body would shield that of the Báb. 14 He was eventually suspended in such a position that his head reposed on the breast of his Master. As soon as they were fastened, a regiment of soldiers ranged itself in three files, each of two hundred and fifty men, each of which was ordered to open fire in its turn until the whole detachment had discharged the volleys of its bullets. 15 The smoke of the firing of the seven hundred and fifty rifles was such as to turn the light of the noonday sun into darkness. There had crowded onto 16 Even the tunic which Mírzá Mu?ammad-‘Alí was wearing had, despite the thickness of the smoke, remained unsullied. “The Siyyid-i-Báb has gone from our sight!” rang out the voices of the bewildered multitude. They set out in a frenzied search for Him, and found Him, eventually, seated in the same room which He had occupied the night before, engaged in completing His interrupted conversation, with Siyyid ?usayn. An expression of unruffled calm was upon His face. His body had emerged unscathed from the shower of bullets which the regiment had directed against Him. “I have finished My conversation with Siyyid ?usayn,” the Báb told the farrásh-báshí. “Now you may proceed to fulfil your intention.” The man was too much shaken to resume what he had already attempted. Refusing to accomplish his duty, he, that same moment, left that scene and resigned his post. He related all that he had seen to 17 “Had you believed in Me, O wayward generation,” were the last words of the Báb to the gazing multitude as the regiment was preparing to fire the final volley, “every one of you would have followed the example of this youth, who stood in rank above most of you, and willingly would have sacrificed himself in My path. The day will come when you will have recognised Me; that day I shall have ceased to be with you.” 18 19 thirty-one lunar years, seven months, and twenty-seven days from the day of His birth in Shíráz. Regards, Scott Last edited on 11:59 am by Popeyesays |
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to continue: " 20 21 one of his friends and confidants, 22 Their superiors, on their part, unwilling to compromise their own honour, concealed the truth and did not divulge it to the authorities. 23 24 “Well is it with you,” the Báb addressed the buried saint in words such as these, in the concluding passages of that Tablet, “to have found your resting place in Rayy, under the shadow of My Beloved. Would that I might be entombed within the precincts of that holy ground!” 25 where they were first taken, to a place the site of which remained unknown to anyone excepting themselves. " Regards, Scott
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I respect your celebration of this man and the anniversary of such, yet again I find no reason to assume he was anything more than a sinful man like the rest of us needing the savior Christ Jesus.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. Can you tell us where?
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"Early Western Accounts of Bahá'í (and Bábí) Faith Bahá'í (and Bábí) Faith, Early Western Accounts of The Bábí movement created a great deal of turmoil in Iran, thus it soon aroused some interest in the West also. Initially news of the movement reached the West through newspaper accounts and traveler's reports, while the western governments received information from their diplomatic staff. The first known account of any of the events relating to Bábí and Bahá'í history was the report sent by the British consul in Baghdad, Major Henry Rawlinson, to the British Foreign Office relating to the arrest and imprisonment of Mullá `Alí Bastámí in early 1845. The first published account was that of proclamation by the Báb of his mission in Mecca and the arrest and punishment of four of the Báb's disciples in Shiraz, and the arrest of the Báb. This account appeared in The Times of London on 1 November 1845. Other important early accounts include those of Lady Mary Sheil, the wife of the British Minister in Tehran, in her book, Life and Manners in Modern Persia (London, 1856, pp. 176-81, 273-82); Dr Jakob Polak in Persien. Das Land und seine Bewohner (Leipzig, 1865, p. 350) as well as the reports sent by the foreign diplomatic representatives resident in Iran, Lt-Col. Justin Sheil, the British minister, Prince Dimitri Dolgorukov, the Russian minister, and Joseph Ferrier, the French agent. Most of these early accounts described the Bábís as violent revolutionaries and socialists--which no doubt reflected both the official Iranian government account of the movement and the prejudices of the writers. It was the appearence of the book Les Religions et les Philosophies dans l'Asie Centrale (Paris, 1865) by Arthur, Comte de Gobineau (q.v.) which more than anything else served to bring the Bábí movement to the attention of the West. This book, together with Mirza Kazem-Beg's book, Bab i Babidui (St Petersburg, 1865), which also came out in French translation in the Journal Asiatique in 1866, gave rise to a large number of articles in many of the well-known magazines of Europe and North America (for a list of these, see BBR 23-26). So great was the coverage given to the new religion that, in 1871, the well-known writer and critic Matthew Arnold was able to say that Babism was a movement "of which most people in England have at least heard the name." (BBR 25) The interest in Babism remained in literary circles for some time. The French writer Jules Bois says that: "among the littérateurs of my generation, in the Paris of 1890, the martyrdom of the Báb was still as fresh a topic as had been the first news of his death. We wrote poems about him. Sarah Bernhardt entreated Catulle Mendès for a play on the theme of this historic tragedy." (BBR 50) References to the Báb and the Bábís began to appear in some of the literature of the time, such as in the Portuguese novelist Eça de Queirós' A Correspondencia de Fradique Mendes(Lisbon, 1889, pp. 48-54), the French writer A. de Saint-Quentin's Un Amour au Pays des Mages(Paris, 1891), and the poem by the Austrian Marie von Najmajer, Gurret-ül-Eyn: ein Bild aus persiens Neuzeit (1874). This literary interest was continued into the twentieth century in such works as E.S. Stevens' novel The Mountain of God (1911) and the Russian writer Izabella Grinevskaya's dramatic poem entitled Bab (1903). During the second half of the nineteenth century, a great many travelers to Iran published accounts of their journeys. Several of these contain some interesting information about the Bábís and Bahá'ís. Among the more important of these accounts were by the Italian Michele Lessona, I Babi (Turin, 1881), the Pole Aleksandr Jablonowski in articles published in Blucz in 1871 and Gazeta Polska in 1875, the Spaniard Adolfo Rivadneyra, Viaje al Interior de Persia (Madrid, 1880-81, vol. 1, p. 244), and the French woman Mde Dieulafoy, La Perse, la Chaldee et la Susiane (Paris, 1887, pp. 77-87). News that the Bábí movement had, for the most part, transformed itself into the Bahá'í Faith was slow to reach the West. There were a number of early reports of Bahá'u'lláh's pre-eminence, most notably that of Dr Thomas Chaplin, published in The Times on 5 October 1871, and of Laurence Oliphant, published in the New York Sun on 10 December 1883. There were also some references to the change that was happening among the Bábís in Iran, the first published reference being probably in Arthur Arnold, Through Persia by Caravan (1877, vol. 2, pp. 34-5); but there does not appear to have been any general appreciation of the full significance of this change until the researches of E.G. Browne (q.v.) and the arrival of the Bahá'í Faith in the West in the 1890s. After Gobineau's book, interest and coverage of the new religion reached a second peak during the time of `Abdu'l-Bahá's journeys to the West (1911-1913). Newspaper and magazine articles covered his journeys in a great deal of detail. Moojan Momenhttp://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud/bfwestac.htm --------------------- A useful book (which unfortunately developed legs and walked out of my library some years ago) is Moojan Momen's--here's the Amazon listing page http://www.amazon.co.uk/Babi-Bahai-Religions-1844-1944-Contemporary/dp/0853981027 You might check with your local interlibrary loan to obtain a copy for reference. Regards, Scott
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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You said: All of this is attested to by European witnesses to the events, most of whom were various embassy personnel. The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. If I remember the Bab was executed in July of 1850. Where are the newspaper accounts in the Western press from July 1850 that describe the unusual nature of his death?
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Aethelred wrote: You said:All of this is attested to by European witnesses to the events, most of whom were various embassy personnel. The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. The "unusual" elements to His death were recorded in various diplomatic reports as well as news stories. "'How They Punish Treason in Persia'." The Times (London) (13 October 1852b): 4, col. 4. An account of the executions of two Babis, Haji Sulayaman Khan Tabri zi and Qurrat al-'Ayn, following the attempt on the life of Nasir al-Di Shah. Momen speculates that this report has been taken from another newspaper. Reprinted: Allen's Indian Mail (London), 16 October 1852, p. 588; New York Times, 28 October, p. 6; Southern Cross (Auckland, New Zealand), 22 February 1853, p. 3 "'Mahometan Schism'." Literary Gazette and Journal of Belles Lettres, Arts, Sciences, etc. (London) (1504 Nov. 15, 1845): 757. Reprinted in Eclectic Magazine of Foreign Literature, Science and Art (New York, Philadelphia), Jan-Apr. 1846, p.142. (Also Times?) The earliest mention of Babism in the Western press: records the arrest and punishment of followers of the Bab after his return to Shiraz in 1845 "'Mahometan Schism'." Literary Gazette and Journal of Belles Lettres, Arts, Sciences, etc. (London) (1504 Nov. 15, 1845): 757. Reprinted in Eclectic Magazine of Foreign Literature, Science and Art (New York, Philadelphia), Jan-Apr. 1846, p.142. (Also Times?) The earliest mention of Babism in the Western press: records the arrest and punishment of followers of the Bab after his return to Shiraz in 1845 "'Persia'." Sun (London) (7 October 1852b): 4, col. 3. A brief account of the Babi attempt on the life of Nasir al-Di Shah, based on a letter from Tabriz dated 26 August 1852. Reprinted The Times (London), 8 October 1852, p. 6; Daily News (London), 8 October, p. 5; Guardian (London), 13 October, p. 674; Allen's Indian Mail (London), 16 October, p. 588; Southern Cross (Auckland, New Zealand), 22 February 1853, p. 4 (from the Melbourne Argus). The Standard (London) (1 November 1852): 3. Brief account of executions of Babis in Tehran following the attempted assassination of Nasir al-Di n Shah, based on a report in the Journal de Constantinople, following a letter from Tabriz dated 27 September 1852 "'A New Religion'." The Nation (New York) 2 (59 June 22, 1866): 793-5. 11.740a "'Die Babis in Persien' [Review of Gobineau, Religions et philosophies (item x)]." Allgemeine Zeitung (Tubingen) (March 1866): That should provide some information on early mentions of the Babi and Baha`i religions in the Western Press. I don't have the facility to check the back issue of the Time (London) from where I am. If you can please do. The diplomatic documents include reports by Lt-Col. Justin Sheil, the British minister, Prince Dimitri Dolgorukov, the Russian minister, and Joseph Ferrier, the French agent. You'll find that the diplomatic reports take an attitude of watchful scepticism about a social movement which was much maligned by the Persian authorities. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: Aethelred wrote:You said:All of this is attested to by European witnesses to the events, most of whom were various embassy personnel. The story appeared in the western press withn two weeks of the event. Whoops, wanted to mention that when Baha`u'llah was imprisoned in 1852 it was largely the persistent advocacy of the Russian Ministry which saved His life. Baha`u'llah's sister was married to one of the Persian embassy secretaries of high standing in the delegation. Regards, Scott
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   “[size= ]‘The most joyful tiding is this, . . . that the holy, the luminous body of the Báb . . . after having for sixty years been transferred from place to place, by reason of the ascendancy of the enemy, and from fear of the malevolent, and having known neither rest nor tranquillity has, through the mercy of the Abhá Beauty, been ceremoniously deposited, on the day of Naw-Rúz, within the sacred casket, in the exalted Shrine on Mt. Carmel.’[size= ]” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, quoted by Shoghi Effendi in God Passes By (Wilmette: Bahá’í Publishing Trust, 2004), p. 276.“I cannot at this juncture overemphasize the sacredness of that holy dust embosomed in the heart of the Vineyard of God, or overrate the unimaginable potencies of this mighty institution founded sixty years ago, through the operation of the Will of, and the definite selection made by, the Founder of our Faith, on the occasion of His historic visit to that holy mountain, nor can I lay too much stress on the role which this institution, to which the construction of the superstructure of this edifice is bound to lend an unprecedented impetus, is destined to play in the unfoldment of the World Administrative Centre of the Faith of Bahá’u’lláh and in the efflorescence of its highest institutions constituting the embryo of its future World Order.” Shoghi Effendi, Citadel of Faith: Messages to America, 1947–1957 (Wilmette: Bahá’í Publishing Trust, 1999), p. 95.
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